UFC 143: Main Card Recap
I thought the events of last night deserved to marinate in my brain for 24 hours before I formulated any thoughts, thus the late (by net standards) recap but here goes:
UFC 143 ended up being a great night of technical mixed martial arts. It was promoted as though it was sure to be filled with violence and instead we saw technique and strategy, above all else, prevail. From the opening fight, which featured Ed Herman falling behind on the feet only to apply swift and deadly jiu jitsu technique once he hit the ground with Clifford Starks, through to Carlos Condit's masterful main event performance against Nick Diaz, the card was a perfect example of a common martial arts tenet: Attack your opponent where they are weakest.
Full recap of all five fights on the main card after the jump.
Ed Herman vs Clifford Starks
Herman won this by rear naked choke at 1:43 of the second round. He had lost the first round, after taking a handful straight right hands from Starks throughout the course of the round and generally finding little success with his own striking attack, which was largely a right hand uppercut. Joe Rogan pointed out that it was with that punch that he had knocked out Tim Credeur so perhaps Starks was ready for it. Either way, he struggled to land it. Following a clinch against the cage early in the second round, Herman used a neat outside leg sweep to take Starks to the mat, immediately moved to mount and when Starks rolled over Herman sank in the rear naked without much resistance. He was fairly measured in his post fight interview, hoping to get a big name fight in the middle weight division while at the same time acknowledging that he had been hurt a little by Starks in that first round. Unfortunately for Herman, I see Rousimar Palhares as being a real possibility for him if he wants a step up. Palhares needs another win to cement himself as a title contender and Herman is looking to break into the top 10, so the match makes sense for both parties. Oh yeah, they are on equal 3 fight win streaks. If Herman wanted to go the conservation route he might look at someone like Costa Philippou, who has two fights of his own but might not be the ground fighter that Herman is.
Renan Barao vs Scott Jorgensen
The first of four action filled decisions, Barao controlled the distance masterfully with kicks, both to the leg, body and head, forcing Jorgensen to shoot for take downs well outside of range, which Barao then defended. It was an excellent strategy against a wrestler and proved that you can incorporate kicks into your attack without being at risk of the take down. Barao worked his kicks into his combination's and only used threw them once he had Jorgensen moving backwards. I think Jorgensen was close to getting a take down once, in the first round. Every other attempt was easily stuffed by Barao, who will now get serious attention as the next title challenger at 135. Could he end up having another fight before meeting Cruz? Maybe the winner of Miguel Torres vs Michael McDonald but other than that I don't see many credible fights for him at this time.
Josh Koscheck vs Mike Pierce
While this fight was a fairly close one, it was probably the least "technical" in terms of the techniques and strategies used. Both Koscheck and Pierce have fairly basic stand up games, predicated on landing big power strikes, pretty typical wrestle-boxer stuff. I would say that Pierce had the heavier punches, as Koscheck didn't look comfortable with a couple of the shots he took. Koscheck looks remarkably uncomfortable with his stand up, still not fully confident in himself since the GSP fight. He barely threw his right hand, which could have been for a strategic purpose that I didn't grasp (facial protection, take down defense) and he won the fight almost surely because he landed a takedown in the third round, giving him two in the fight to Pierce's one. I had not realized that Koscheck was already 34, which I found a little surprising. I think he has one more run in him though and would like to see him take a high stakes fight with Jake Ellenberger, were he to defeat Sanchez, or Johny Hendricks.
Fabricio Werdum vs Roy Nelson
Werdum had the most surprising performance of the card, actually coming through on his promise to trust the striking that he showed against Alistair Overeem. I didn't think he would find success going that route against Roy Nelson, who has a granite chin and a big right hand but Werdum was far to tall and strong for Nelson. He overwhelmed him in the clinch in much the same manner that Frank Mir did, only Mir turned the dominance into takedowns, while Werdum struck Nelson repeatedly with knees and punches. I think Roy found out his true potential in the division: A high level gate-keeper, who will never beat the top 5 or 6 fighters in the division. I'd like to see Roy fight Shane Carwin when Carwin returns from injury to test this theory and to see where Carwin stands. As for Werdum, it would appear he is going to fight Mir in a title eliminator. I can't really see how any other fights make sense except for the winner of Mark Hunt/Chieck Kongo, but either of those men would likely be no big challenge for Werdum. The one thing working against Werdum is that he has lost to Junior Dos Santos and Alistair Overeem, so the desire to see him get a chance at the title isn't great right now.
Nick Diaz vs Carlos Condit
I wasn't incredibly surprised by Carlos Condit's choice of strategy against Nick Diaz. I had seen openings for both BJ Penn and Paul Daley to escape the bad situations they got themselves in against Diaz (on the cage, shelled up eating punches) and undoubtedly Greg Jackson and Condit had also seen them. I suspect that this was the way that GSP would defeat Nick Diaz, should he have been able to do so. Going to the ground with Diaz is almost sure to end in a submission, so staying on the feet and avoiding the Diaz trap by circling away from the cage is the best way to take him on. Georges would have used jabs to score, while Condit used kicks, mostly to the leg, to do his damage. I'll leave you with a couple of in-depth thoughts that I have on the way the fight played out and the way it was evaluated:
- This match-up is absolutely perfect for a potential trilogy. I highly doubt we're going to get one, since I take Nick Diaz at his word that he is going to retire, but if he stays on I hope we see an instant re-match. In fact, I'm shocked that the idea wasn't brought up far more often in the post fight discourse. Boxing has a lot of rematches, particularly when two highly ranked and evenly matched fighters fight to a close decision the way Diaz and Condit did. Would Diaz go to his ground game sooner? Would he be smart enough to figure out how to counter Condit's stand up strategy? Would Carlos open up much sooner and with more commitment with the knowledge that he can escape a bad position against Nick? It's not often MMa can take a page out of boxing's book but now is a great time for Dana to do it and make a re-match.
- The UFC Primetime and the countdown shows are great theatre but they are getting stale, especially when every fight is billed as a knock out waiting to happen. The reason the fight had so much controversy attached to it is because we were yet again sold a bill of goods that didn't match the produc description. No one told us Condit was going to use a tailored game plan to win. We were told he was going to challenge Nick in an epic striking match. Somehow the UFC needs to find a way to promote their fights without relying solely on the prospect of unconsciousness to make it seem attractive. After all, good MMA is so much more than that, as the fight showed. We just expected one thing and got another and that always leads to unhappiness in the ranks, even if what we got was better, in many ways, than what we were expecting.
- I see a few people praising Condit as putting on a performance for the ages. He did not. He fought with a very singular strategy that was predicated on avoiding exchanges with Diaz. He retreated constantly, which differs from Frank Edgar's in and out style that was used as a comparison in more than a few places, and any time Diaz attacked him Condit countered with the intention of moving away, not to do damage. I would describe his striking as disruptive more than dangerous and I thought it was telling that most fighters saw the fight for Diaz. Diaz came forward the whole time, thus rendering Condit's striking as fairly ineffective. All that being said, it was enough to win the judges nod. But let us not trip over ourselves to call Condit's fight one of the all time great displays.
And that does it for UFC 143. Thanks for reading!
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Some disagreements on Diaz/Condit
I think you are seriously underselling Condit’s striking and gameplanning. According to FightMetric, Condit outlanded Diaz in every round except the second, which is the only round I felt Diaz clearly won (side note: I had it 48-47 Diaz, giving him rounds 1, 2, and 5. I have no problem whatsoever with Condit getting the nod).
You describe Condit’s striking as disruptive rather than dangerous. How much damage did Diaz do with his punches? Carlos was willing to strike with him, just not trapped against the cage. I don’t see why Condit is getting ripped (not just by you) as much as he is. He forced Diaz to fight his fight (cliche, I know).
Yes, Diaz was coming forward the whole fight, but he always found himself out of range. This was due to Condit’s movement, a great use of kicks, and well timed counter combos.
Condit deserves to fight GSP and I think he can win. But in the meantime, give me Diaz/Condit 2.
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I think you are seriously underselling Condit’s striking and gameplanning. According to FightMetric, Condit outlanded Diaz in every round except the second
I don’t believe that I am. FightMetric is great for giving you numbers to look at but fighting cannot be evaluated on numbers alone. So what he outlanded Diaz? He did it with leg kicks and the point of the leg kicks was to stop Diaz from moving forward. Think about it this way: What if Carlos had not thrown a single leg kick and just moved backwards and circled away. Would the fight have gone any differently? No. It would have been the same fight, only Diaz would have outstruck Condit. The leg kicks weren’t effective in doing anything but putting up points on the board. Didn’t stop Diaz from moving forward, didn’t slow him down, didn’t set up Carlos for combinations that did damage. So am I underselling his striking? I don’t believe I am.
You describe Condit’s striking as disruptive rather than dangerous. How much damage did Diaz do with his punches?
He didn’t do much. Which is exactly my point! Condit disrupted Nick’s attack. Yet he didn’t do any attacking of his own. When you recall the fight, could you think of one time that Carlos came forward with an attack of any substance? Every time he did stop moving backwards and throw something at Diaz, he did so in the middle of the ring and he moved backwards right after. Some people call this smart, I call it disruptive.
Carlos was willing to strike with him, just not trapped against the cage.
Again, he was willing to strike for as long as it took to open up an escape route.
The more credit you are willing to give Condit for his game plan, the more credit you have to give Nick Diaz. If that was the only way for Condit to win, then fine, but it wasn’t the only way for him to win. It was clearly the safest route and whenever a fighter takes the safest route to victory and does not clearly win, I immediately give them less credit.
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Still disagree wholeheartedly
So because Diaz is always moving forward, it nullifies Condit’s leg kicks? I also don’t think you can just say “take away the leg kicks and it would’ve been the same.” That is something neither you or I know. Now you’re assuming that Condit wasn’t going to do anything with the time he spent throwing leg kicks. And if Condit was putting points on the board, so what? Diaz did NOTHING to adapt to a strategy that was clearly frustrating him.
You’re doing a great job of saying why Condit lost the fight, but I’m curious as to how you think Diaz won.
So what if Condit’s striking was more disruptive than dangerous? Disruptive isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as it forced Diaz out of his comfort zone, severely limiting his offense. And yes, I can think of a time when Condit came forward with an attack. It was a combo that ended up with Condit’s shin smacking Nick in the nose.
You’re saying that he was striking long enough to open up an escape route from the cage. OK. So? Is that a bad thing? He knows not to get cornered by Nick Diaz. Was he supposed to sit and strike in his opponent’s comfort zone? Carlos was more active after retreating towards the middle of the cage.
Also, please explain why I have to give Diaz credit for Condit’s gameplan. Because he refused to try something other than walking Condit down and throwing the Diaz punches?
Well written BTW, just disagree on some points.
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You’re doing a great job of saying why Condit lost the fight, but I’m curious as to how you think Diaz won.
I actually don’t think that Diaz won. I don’t think either of them won, really. I guess if I had a gun to my head I would say Carlos won, though I feel like Nick tried to win the fight while Carlos tried not to lose it and Carlos did a better job.
You’re saying that he was striking long enough to open up an escape route from the cage. OK. So? Is that a bad thing? He knows not to get cornered by Nick Diaz. Was he supposed to sit and strike in his opponent’s comfort zone? Carlos was more active after retreating towards the middle of the cage.
I would have had no problem with the fight if Condit avoided being pushed up against the cage by staying in the middle and exchanging, not constantly backing away until he hit the cage and circling out to the middle so he could back away again. Yes, when he got to the center he was a little more active but that didn’t last for more than one combo or exchange before he started backing up onto the cage again. I mean, he had success exchanging, as everyone is pointing out with the gifs of Condit landing head kicks. So why not spend more time actually exchanging?
There is a difference between fighting while avoiding where your opponent is strongest and flat out avoiding the fight altogether. To me, Condit didn’t fight while trying to avoid getting pushed into the cage. He scored points with leg kicks while continually avoiding the fight. It happened over and over and over.
Also, please explain why I have to give Diaz credit for Condit’s gameplan. Because he refused to try something other than walking Condit down and throwing the Diaz punches?
If Condit truly thought that his only way to beat Nick was to kick him when they were at distance, back up, circle off the cage and win on points, well that says something about the respect that Condit has for Nick Diaz. If you think that Condit had a fantastic gameplan and not a weak one, well, to me, that says that you agree that it was the only way for him to beat Nick Diaz. I believe Condit could have knocked him out and was disappointed to see that he didn’t even really try.
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I feel like Condit's leg kicks are being seriously undersold
Let’s not confuse effect with intent here. Diaz has shown an incredible ability to absorb punishment in the past; Cyborg landed some of the harder low kicks I’ve ever seen in their fight, and Diaz barely showed any response. Being hit with as many kicks as Condit delivered over the course of five rounds (68, if memory serves) and continuing to move forward without apparent ill effects is utterly astonishing. He threw many of them quite hard, and the fact that Diaz absorbed them – as he did BJ’s punches – is more a testament to his toughness than a condemnation of Condit’s intentions.
I’d bet that Condit and his team counted on those kicks taking some of the spring out of Diaz’s step and thereby opening up opportunities for a more aggressive approach in the later rounds (the mirror image of Diaz’s early-round body punching). When it became clear that the shots weren’t having their intended effect, after Condit’s two successful attempts to take the center of the cage and go after Diaz in the fourth round, he simply stuck to the original gameplan.
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by Patrick Wyman on Feb 7, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
Haha
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I thought Condit fought a great, smart fight. I was cheering for Diaz, and while it wasn’t the intensely fast paced brawl many were expecting, I thoroughly enjoyed watching it. Good stuff.
Just curious, how did you score the fight?
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Watching live with a roomful of friends...
…I scored the first for Diaz, the second I gave a 10-10, third and fourth for Condit and the fifth for Diaz.
So I had it as a draw. Keep in mind that was after a few drinks and not the most ideal setting to watch a fight.
I watched the first round again, came away even more convinced that Nick won that round. I haven’t finished my second viewing of the fight yet. I’m going to watch it probably two or three more times this week to really crystalize my thoughts. I thought it was interesting that Joe Rogan changed his score, flipping it to 48-47 Diaz after watching it a second time.
fightinghistorian’s post on leg kicks has definitley opened my eyes to a different perspective:
It’s entirely possible that Diaz was hurt (and slowed down) by the leg kicks and simply absorbed the pain, making it difficult to fully notice, and it isn’t fair to criticize Condit for that. 68 leg kicks is a lot. I’ve been kicked in the leg by guys who did a few years of thai boxing (but aren’t anything special) so I do appreciate leg kicks and the damage they can cause.
Overall I think this fight needs to happen again instantly, as I said in the post. In fact, I think the argument could be made that, should there be a second fight on FOX 3, with Diaz winning, a third fight between Condit and Diaz would far outstrip the interest in GSP/Diaz or Condit/Diaz. Especially if Nick takes it to the ground early and submits him.
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Changing scores
While watching the fight live, I had no intention of scoring it (Social/loud atmosphere and beers aplenty). I can’t help but score a fight in my mind and I ended up with Condit 48-47, but a sober, focused viewing gave me Diaz 48-47. I honestly do not have a problem with either score, but the 49-46 Condit scores that the judges turned in was off IMO.
And yes, there should be an immediate rematch. I have MUCH more interest in seeing Carlos defend against Diaz rather than Ellenberger/Sanchez or Johny Hendricks. I think people on both sides of the fence on the decision would be totally cool with a rematch.
However, I find it really hard to believe that a potential Diaz/Condit 3 fight would be bigger than GSP versus either. GSP is arguably the most popular fighter in MMA, and probably the biggest draw the UFC has. That being said, I think a potential Diaz vs. Condit 3 fight would be more interesting and more entertaining than seeing either guy against GSP. But bigger? No.
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I guess I don't mean "bigger" numbers wise
Since so many people watch GSP when he fights, no matter who the opponent.
But then again I don’t really take PPV numbers into account when I consider how big a fight is. I guess I mean the interest in the fight from the hardcore fans. I think, should they have a second fight and it goes for Diaz, hardcore fans will go crazy for a third fight. I think Diaz/Condit could really be the first great trilogy between two MMA guys in their prime since well, Chuck/Randy.
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Good link to the Rogan vid.
I hadn’t seen that yet. I would love to shoot the shit with Rogan about MMA.
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By the way, thanks for the discussion Ben!
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Not a problem
I do enjoy our mini debates.
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