Mayweather vs. Ortiz Results: Why Boxing and MMA Don't Need a Floyd Mayweather
"Who exactly is Floyd "Money" Mayweather? It depends on who you ask. Is he the greatest boxer of his generation? Or is he a coward who ducks the best opponents? A showman playing the game? Or a disrespectful loudmouth?"
These are the questions Fraser Coffeen over at Bloody Elbow has posed to the readers, and his answer is the unequivocal affirmative: boxing and MMA need Floyd Mayweather. I do disagree with this (for reasons made explicit by the title), but only on certain points, so before you tell me I'm clueless (largely true), let me explain myself in a few hundred words.
Yes, Floyd's actions attract fans. But his actions are intimately connected to his ability: people tune in precisely because he's a bombastic constellation of all of the above. As a showman, as a phenomenal boxer, as a sport politician, and as a goon...he's the perfect storm of what attracts us to sports because no matter how much we hate him, he's a brilliant boxer. And no matter how brilliant his boxing is, he's disrespectful, and a clown.
To the end that MMA needs a big draw like Floyd himself, no. An emphatic no. Moreover, why? Floyd Mayweather, despite his obvious boxing draw, is a headcase. Writers, specifically MMA writers, seem knee deep in this pro wrestling mentality that how you put on a show is more important than the show itself (not that the former is unimportant). Mayweather is a certified headcase. For as much money as he's made for boxing, he's also cost them. Have people suddenly forgotten the frustration over the lack of Mayweather vs. Pacquiao on the horizon? Newsflash: Ortiz will lose the rematch, and lose it badly. As far as I can tell, the question on everyone's mind, and the question Mayweather dodged that Larry Merchant was surely approaching before suggesting 50 years is all that separated Merchant from attacking Floyd with a busted beer bottle and his walking cane, was "what about Manny?"
In addition, this ignores Floyd's troubled history away from the ring. It would be one thing if Floyd were simply a loudmouth. But he's not. He's a loudmouth with a rich history of domestic disputes involving assault against women: the count is up to 8 charges of domestic violence in fact. Should this be ignored in favor of saying "well, it's ok because you make boxing a lot of money, and us writers get more material".
Manny Pacquiao will fight Juan Manuel Marquez in what should be a fantastic scrap. Boxing will live on. UFC 136 and 137 are on the horizon, and they are fantastic cards. Guess what, MMA will live on.
Speaking for myself, I don't care about the extracurricular activity. It's amusing, and in last night's case, I got a good laugh, but do the people that paid good money to watch the fight pay because they were under the impression boxing was finally delivering (insofar as they could without offering the Mayweather/Pacquiao fight), or because Floyd would do something classless in the 4th round (I've already articulated, however, why Ortiz and Cortez are equally if not more so, at fault in this case however)? Everyone I talk to feels like they got ripped off.
People like Mayweather are compelling, but only up to a point. And their behavior deserves condemnation, as opposed to the type of enabling you see in the blogosphere. So no, boxing and MMA don't need Floyd Mayweather. Not because he's valuable to the sport, and one of a kind (which he is), but because he's a luxury, plain and simple.
13 comments
|
1 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
His skillset is necessary, and that's pretty much all I'm worried about.
It is my belief that people get too caught up with theatrics, as if all sports athletes need to have admirable personalities when in reality, many of them are flawed just like regular human beings. The point is, I don’t really care about how these guys behave; they’re not my friends or family, so they can act as they wish.
This brings me to my overall feelings: Floyd is such a brilliant boxer that regardless of your personal feelings of him, it’s incredibly difficult to be a combat sports fan and completely avoid his existence. This isn’t Junie Browning, a hothead who wasn’t good enough to stay in the spotlight. Floyd is at the very top of his profession, or at least in the top 2 alongside Manny Pacquiao. So when I say his skillset is necessary, I simply mean I want to see the best on a consistent basis. I could be alone in this, but I’m pretty entertained by most of his fights. I’m not the type who thoroughly enjoys brawls featuring Leonard Garcia or Chris Leben; I’m more likely to appreciate excellence in technique and craft. If GSP had Mayweather’s personality, I would still love to see GSP’s next fight because he’s an elite fighter. If the world’s greatest happen to act like jerks, so be it.
That’s just my opinion, anyway. On another note, your articles, especially the scientific ones you routinely post, are great reads. Keep up the good work!
"The person who takes a dump on you isn't always your enemy, and the person who takes you out of the dump isn't always your friend."
I'm on the same wavelength
He’s a brilliant boxer, and to that end, he’s necessary for the sport: he’s the best, and the best needs challengers. But I’m not interested in watching him sabotage his legacy with political matchmaking either. Many thanks for the support and kind words though. I’ll keep on trucking as long as you guys keep reading.
Follow me at Head Kick Legend
And Twitter @DavidCastilloAC
by David Castillo on Sep 18, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
“You fuck with the bull, you get the horns.
I am one of the biggest proponents of honor in combat sports, I think it’s necessary to offset the violent nature of them. And I’m also a Pacquiao fan, I think Mayweather is a loudmouth. But here’s the bottom line: you purposely fucking headbutt someone in the middle of a flurry, you deserve to get KO’d a few seconds later. Period. Ortiz had Mayweather up against the ropes, trying to find a way in with his punches, and when he couldn’t, he fired off a headbutt. That was just so out of line. First off because headbutts are illegal of course, but secondly because it is just such a wholly deliberate move. You don’t headbutt someone by accident, not the way he threw it. And then Ortiz did what everybody tries to do: ‘Hey sorry man, fist-bump, okay cool’ like it’s no big deal. So Mayweather responds with a “Hey man, here’s a hug… and a left hook… and a right cross… and now you won’t be headbutting me anymore”. Fully deserved. You want to fight like an animal, you lose your right to be treated like a man. Like I said, 99% of the time I am appalled by a cheap shot; but a cheap shot isn’t really cheap when it’s in response to receiving one yourself. Mayweather taught Ortiz a simple lesson: Don’t headbutt me. I thought it was fucking awesome. Instant karma."
One more thing
1. Protect yourself at all times is the rule.
2. If you want to talk about breaking rules, headbutting is against the rules.
3. The word “box” is not the only exclusive statement to resume action. Joe Cortez said “let’s go” (the fight was resumed) and turned to the timekeeper to resume the clock.
Cortez'
attempt at resuming the fight was so incompetent I’m not sure it qualifies as a restart. The fighters never go to their neutral corner, when Cortez does say “let’s go” he’s not even looking at the fighters, and when Ortiz gets clocked, Cortez is in the middle of asking the time keepers if they “are ready”. And I’ve already addressed the rest in a prior article, but still pointed out that yes, Ortiz was also to blame.
Follow me at Head Kick Legend
And Twitter @DavidCastilloAC
by David Castillo on Sep 18, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I disagree obviously :)
I think you hit on a key point though, which is that his behavior is only accepted because of his talent. And that is true. There’s a sliding scale of how much BS a fighter can get away with, and the more talented he is, the more he can do. Mayweather is supremely talented, so he can get away with a lot before people turn on him. And until they turn on him, they’ll turn in to see him, which is only a good thing as I see it.
Even if I disagree, you make good points, as you always do. Keep up the good work!
Staff Writer - BloodyElbow.com
Follow me on Twitter: @FCoffeen
Yes, Boxing and MMA Definitely Needs a Floyd Mayweather
David Castillo, you are such a hypocrite.
Regardless of how subtle your approach, it’s blatantly obvious that you are trying to demean Mayweather’s character. What does his personal life outside of the ring have to do with boxing? It sure as hell doesn’t have anything to do with last night’s fight. No point of it being in your article if you planned to later claim that you don’t care about his extracurricular activities. Sigh.
When Cortez initially resumes the fight, directly after scolding Ortiz with, “What the hell is wrong with you?! Don’t be doin’ that!”, he clearly says “Lets go!” and gestures to both fighters to begin fighting by bringing both of his hands together. It’s a gesture that we’ve all seen thousands of times before, and is recognized universally. That doesn’t mean to touch’em up. However, Floyd clearly touches gloves, accepts Victor’s apology again, and resumes fighting. It’s that simple, and totally legal. Victor should have had his hands up. He knows better than that! As far as Cortez not seeing Floyd’s punches (well, at least the 1st punch), what does it matter? The fight was resumed. It’s not like he missed vicious low blow or something. Cortez was checking with the timekeeper as well as other officials to ensure that his actions were, without a doubt, within legal parameters, and they were.
Another thing. No one in their right mind feels ripped off. Everyone at the fight, as well as PPV viewers, received an exciting experience matched by a spectacular night of boxing!
Fraser Coffeen’s article is spot on.
Weird response
I thought I wasn’t subtle at all. Fraser is spot on about many things, and I appreciate his work (appreciate your work Fraser!), but demeaning Mayweather was part of my argument (the extracurricular activity was a clear reference to the fight festivities). He is not a person sponsors would ever continue to sport because his actions cost them money.
You think Tiger Woods kept all of his fancy sponsors following his sexting scandal? AT&T, Gillette, and Tag Heuer would like a word with you if you think any publicity is good publicity. Especially for a sport like MMA, as Tim points out. If Dos Santos pulled the same stunt on Cain Velasquez, MMA would be crucified, and buried right there at the stake. But hey…at least the bro hug would be gone.
Follow me at Head Kick Legend
And Twitter @DavidCastilloAC
by David Castillo on Sep 19, 2011 4:08 AM EDT up reply actions
*support
Follow me at Head Kick Legend
And Twitter @DavidCastilloAC
by David Castillo on Sep 19, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I have trouble lumping MMA and boxing together like this. Boxing can definitely afford to have a guy like PBF because the sport is ingrained into culture. Boxing is mainstream. Floyd, Ali, Tyson…all of their bullshit only helps to get people interested, because boxing itself isn’t hurt by their antics. MMA is a whole different story.
MMA isn’t mainstream, it’s in the midst of a struggle for acceptance. While a guy like PBF would definitely elevate short-term interest in MMA, it would be really bad in the long run, IMO. I’m all for entertainment in the sport, the PPV model dictates that. But Floyd is SO over the top and SO full of flaws that an MMA clone would be a dagger in the heart of MMA’s mainstream hopes. The sport needs to be a sport to gain acceptance. Not a sideshow.
"You are a miserable human being." - Mike Fagan
My twitter: @TB_Money
You state your case extremely well though, as usual. Good stuff.
"You are a miserable human being." - Mike Fagan
My twitter: @TB_Money
He's not your childhood hero
I have to be the one to break it to you: sports stars aren’t your personal heros. Fans need to grow up a little and start appreciating fighters for their skill and not some misguided quest to find a new childhood role model. He’s a jerk… and it shouldn’t matter in the least.
As far as the Larry Merchant stuff goes, I think Money was mostly justified in his response. He answered the question, which is that it was a legitimate KO and Ortiz should have been defending himself. But damn Merchant just wouldn’t leave it at that, he kept trying to rephrase the same question over and over. And seriously, the first question Larry asks Ortiz is about the cheap shot and not the headbutt? That’s insane, talk about having an axe to grind.
by Kyle Thompson-Bass on Sep 19, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
On the contrary
I would say sports fans need to grow up and stop encouraging athletes to act like assholes just because they make a bunch of money. Nobody asks that these men be role models: just that they act civilized from time to time like everyone else.
And Floyd completely overreacted. As another poster noted on BLH, Merchant offered him the perfect excuse when he asks Floyd if he was just giving it right back for the headbutt. Instead Floyd loses his cool, and starts calling him names.
Follow me at Head Kick Legend
And Twitter @DavidCastilloAC
by David Castillo on Sep 19, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions

by 















