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UFC 140: Drunken Thoughts and Awesome Fights

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This was an absolutely incredible night of fights from top to bottom. Let's start at the bottom, Chan Sung Jung tied the official record for the UFC's fastest KO at 7 seconds. Hominick was coming forward throwing punches as the Korean backpedaled, with an ingenious change of direction Jung planted and threw a straight right, dropping The Machine. After some obligatory ground and pound, Jung got the quick win. Ranked 38th, and a 5:1 underdog, the Korean Zombie made easy work of a top ten fighter. With a two fight win streak, it's time for him to take a big step up in competition. I suggest Bart Palaszewski.

In a grinding battle, met with much disdain, Brian Ebersole edged Claude Patrick in a split decision. I didn't think this fight was nearly as bad as many others did, but it did show that neither fighter is really ready for the higher levels of the division. Lateral moves for both fighters, and there's plenty of options.

Rebounding from the slow pace of Ebersole-Patrick, Antonio Rogerio Nogueira ended the competitive career of Tito "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" Ortiz. Tito came out swinging, but Lil Nog hurt him with his superior boxing. From Ortiz's guard, Nogueira punished Tito with some absolutely brutal body shots, leaving the former Light Heavyweight champion weeping. However, Rogerio's fights against Ryan Bader and Phil Davis are too fresh in my mind, so I think a welcome home match against Thiago Silva is his best match right now. Tito is a legitimate legend of the sport, and, if he wants to fulfill the last fight of his contract, he should have that privilege. Stephan Bonnar is the perfect opponent for him.

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Big Nog against Frank Mir was just an absolutely incredible fight. The two traded early and wound up in the clinch. Mir scored a takedown, but the fight returned to the feet shortly after. With a hard right hand, Nogueira dropped Frank. Big Nog goes for the finish as Herb Dean warns against strikes to the back of the head. Mir gets a reversal off a desperate single leg attempt and tries to lock in a kimura. Nog says, "None of that!" and sweeps Frank, to which Frank responds, "Helllllll Nawwwww" and rolls Nog right over. Mir establishes a solid base and attacks the kimura like only he can, dislocating Nogueira's shoulder in the process.

Minotauro is 3-3 in his last six, however he looked great against Brendan Schaub and very good against Mir (in fact, there's some referees who would have stopped the fight when he had Frank hurt). He's still a competitive fighter in the division and Stephan Struve would be a great matchup for him. Since his KO loss to Shane Carwin, Frank Mir has defeated Cro Cop, Roy Nelson, and now Minotauro Nogueira, with Fabricio Werdum being rumored to return to the UFC, I think Mir is the perfect match to welcome him back.

A lot of people thought Lyoto Machida had the perfect style to slow down Jon Jones dominance of the Light Heavyweight division. And, throughout the first round, it looked like they would be right. Machida employed his patented elusive style to control distance and blasted Jones with hard strikes. The second round was a different story though. After The Dragon came in with a powerful flurry, "Bones" Jones was able to secure a clinch trip and open a massive cut on Machida's brow. Shortly thereafter, Jon Jones caught Lyoto in a standing guillotine, leaving in his wake a sleeping Dragon.

Lytoto Machida tested Jones in a way no fighter had before, yet still came up on the short end of the stick. Personally, I like him in a match up against Mauricio Rua, but I doubt that's possible, considering they're Blackhouse teammates. Alexander Gustaffson, however, is on the rise and a fight with Machida would show whether or not he's ready to fight against the top of the division. There's only two way to go with Jon Jones and it really just depends on how active he intends to be. He's fought four times in the last year and 5 times in the last 15 months. If he wants a break, he's earned it. If he doesn't, he should face Dan Henderson, who was promised a title shot in LHW or MW after decisioning Shogun at UFC 139. If Jones does want a couple months to relax, he can face the win of the upcoming bout between Rashad Evans and Phil Davis.

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Has anyone else noticed that when Machida gets cut, he seems to lose all his confidence and speed?

KEMvP

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by T.C. Engel on Dec 11, 2011 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

For some reason

I feel like he was cut in either Shogun I or II or Rampage. I can’t remember if it was a cut or he just got tagged though.

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by T.C. Engel on Dec 11, 2011 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't remember him being cut before

But he definitely seemed less confident after the fight was restarted

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by Chris Hall on Dec 11, 2011 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, maybe it was just this once.

But yeah, after the fight restarted, he looked like a whole different fighter in there, he looked like Kalib fucking Starnes.

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by T.C. Engel on Dec 11, 2011 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

It may have been the cut

But it he also may have been disheartened after his flurry for the finish failed

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by Chris Hall on Dec 11, 2011 1:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Lyoto doesn't seem like the type to be disheartened by a failure to finish.

He just resets and calculates and comes again, from what I’ve seen.

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by T.C. Engel on Dec 11, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

It just seemed like that is where it all fell apart for him, to me

It was after that flurry that he got caught and tripped in the clinch, that led to the cut. And he definitely wasn’t the same when he got back up

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by Chris Hall on Dec 11, 2011 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

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by T.C. Engel on Dec 11, 2011 2:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Totally this

Machida said during the post-fight presser that he was woozy after that. Don’t think it has anything to do with his heart or confidence or squeamishness with being cut.

Human bodies are human bodies. I think after Vera it’s obvious by now that Jones’ elbows from the guard are one of his most brutal and powerful weapons.

by Jeflee on Dec 11, 2011 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Was it not two elbows? And the one that cut him was glancing. Only did exterior damage, imo.

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by T.C. Engel on Dec 11, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

o and you would not with a sized hole in your head?

by cee yo on Dec 11, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Never said I could do better. I’m making an observation about Machida’s fighting style.

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by T.C. Engel on Dec 12, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont care what it takes to get Thiago Silva back in the octagon. Just get Thiago Silva back in the octagon.

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by Earl Montclair on Dec 11, 2011 2:16 AM EST reply actions  

Suspension is up in Jan right?

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by Chris Hall on Dec 11, 2011 2:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Shogun is in Blackhouse?

Also, when did Blackhouse become something more than the Country Club or the Hammer House (an umbrella term and not a gym or team of fighters)?

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by Unabomberman on Dec 11, 2011 2:52 AM EST reply actions  

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Personally, I like him in a match up against Mauricio Rua, but I doubt that’s possible, considering they’re Blackhouse teammates.

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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 11, 2011 3:51 AM EST reply actions  

Thanks Cory

I’m a post-Pride MMA fan and have some gaping holes in my knowledge. That rematch is awesome and perfectly timed IMO.

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by Chris Hall on Dec 11, 2011 3:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Personally I'd like to see a Shogun-Lil Nog rematch

I wouldn’t mind a 3rd Shogun-Machida but Shogun and Nog was an awesome fight
that i’d to see again.

by Sweet Scientist on Dec 11, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Jones would destroy Hendo

But I think Rashad beats him.

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by lanky6 on Dec 11, 2011 6:44 AM EST reply actions  

Why Evans?

I still don’t get this line of thinking. Is it just because they trained together? Because that’s a two-way street.

Evans is coming off victories over Rampage and Silva, both of whom rocked him badly but didn’t have the gas to finish. KTFO by Machida. Yeah, he obliterated Tito but I don’t see how that translates into him beating Jones at all.

Is the idea just that Evans will be able to take him down and hold him there?

by Jeflee on Dec 11, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see either one

I actually think Hendo is more likely to win, I’d be more surprised if Rashad was able to keep Jones for 3 out of five rounds than if Hendo caught Jones with that right hand and knocked him out. Don’t think either one would happen though.

by Sweet Scientist on Dec 11, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Hendo isn't fast enough

I don’t think Hendo has the speed needed to get inside Bones’ reach with that big right hand of his. That’s why I like Rashad’s chances against Bones more than Hendo’s. Rashad could have the speed to land one of those hooks of his. Although I would pick Bones to finish both of them without much trouble.

by LenBarson on Dec 11, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Next opponents

Just some potential opponents of some of the UFC 140 fighters

Bones – Rashad Evans, Dan Henderson
Lyoto – Thiago Silva, Phil Davis, Mousasi/OSP winner
Mir – Cormier/Barnett winner, Cain Velasquez
Big Nog – Fedor, retirement
Tito – Rich Franklin, Forrest Griffin
Lil Nog – Shogun, Stephan Bonnar
Ebersole – John Hathaway, Erick Silva/Siyar Bahadurzada winner, Thiago/Pyle winner
Claude – Dan Hardy, DaMarques Johnson
Korean Zombie – Palaszewski/Hioki winner, Koch/Poirier winner
Hominick – Nunes/Gamburyan loser, Michihiro Omigawa

Let me know where I went wrong.

by LenBarson on Dec 11, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

I like pretty much all those matches

Except, you’re completely underselling Big Nog. He’s looked really good in his last two outings, no reason for him to be looking at retirement.

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by Chris Hall on Dec 11, 2011 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree about Nog

He was lighting Mir up before losing the grappling scramble. People are criticizing Nog for jumping on the submission attempt instead of working the punches but he’s great with the submissions, it made perfect sense for him to do so (even Mir agreed). We love when Lauzon or Cerrone follows that impulse but take Nog to task for it?

by Jeflee on Dec 11, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Too many fighters ignore sub attempts when they've got someone rocked (I'm looking at YOU Gray Maynard)

No reason to fault Nog for jumping on an opportunity

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by Chris Hall on Dec 11, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nog was close to finishing with punches

I think the reason people are jumping on Nog is because it looked like he was close to getting the TKO and decided to jump on the sub instead. I don’t really fault him too badly for it though because he is Nog after all, and he will forget more about BJJ than I will ever know.

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by LenBarson on Dec 13, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It's still ridiculous

The only way I think you can criticize him, IMO is for going for a low percentage guillotine instead of establishing a dominant position like back mount to set up the sub. And I’ll take a fighter looking for a sub, over a fighter gassing himself with wasted shots like Lil Nog was clearly on his way to doing if Tito had survived.

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by Chris Hall on Dec 13, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Gassing himself?

In the first round of a fight and you’ve clearly hurt a guy, you’re not worried about your cardio. I’m not saying throw everything you have right away going for the finish like Carwin on Lesnar, but I still think that Nog would’ve been wise to keep pounding on Mir’s head. I realize hindsight is always 20/20. There can be no denying that the ref was close to stopping it, so why start over with another finishing technique when he was so close to the TKO with the punches? Mir has great BJJ but his recovery after being put in a tough spot has been called into question.

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by LenBarson on Dec 14, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

OK fair enough

Perhaps I am underselling Nog a bit. But factor in how long of a layoff he is going to need before he can even think about training again. Who for Nog then? I could see Carwin or Big Country thrown in there with him. I’ll also throw in Eddie Wineland for a potential opponent for Hominick. He’s also coming off two losses to the elite of the division. Wineland needs a fight now that Mighty Mouse jumps down to 125.

by LenBarson on Dec 11, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Depending on how long Nog is out

I’d want to see him fight Barnett if he loses to Cormier. Wineland doesn’t work for Hominick he is a BW and Hominick a FW.

by Sweet Scientist on Dec 11, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Ugh.

Yikes. That was a TUF noob mistake. I am ashamed. I got all excited that I was going to pwn someone online only to realize I was the one getting pwned,

And yeah, Barnett/Nog III would be great, as would Cormier/Mir.

by LenBarson on Dec 11, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

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