September Rankings: Heavyweight Division
by Fraser Coffeen on Sep 5, 2010 11:08 AM EDT
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Print| #1 | Semmy Schilt |
| #2 | Remy Bonjasky |
| #3 | Alistair Overeem |
| #4 | Errol Zimmerman |
| #5 | Badr Hari |
| #6 | Ewerton Teixeira |
| #7 | Kyotaro |
| #8 | Peter Aerts |
| #9 | Gokhan Saki |
| #10 | Hesdy Gerges |
| #11 | Jerome Le Banner |
| #12 | Ruslan Karaev |
| #13 | Nathan Corbett |
| #14 | Tyrone Spong |
| #15 | Ashwin Balrak |
| #16 | Daniel Ghita |
| #17 | Zabit Samedov |
| #18 | Freddy Kemayo |
| #19 | Brice Guidon |
| #20 | Melvin Manhoef |
| #21 | Alexey Ignashov |
| #22 | Raul Catinas |
| #23 | Pavel Zhuravlev |
| #24 | Ray Sefo |
| #25 | Ben Edwards |
After an interminably slow summer in the world of kickboxing, things have finally started heating up for the fall. Almost none of the top 25 has been in action in the past few months, but between now and the end of the year, we could see a lot of changes.
Of course, the biggest date coming up is October 2 when we get the K-1 Final 16. Tons of top fighters announced there including #1 Semmy Schilt, #3 Alistair Overeem, #4 Errol Zimmerman, #5 Badr Hari, #6 Ewerton Teixeira, #7 Kyotaro, #11 Jerome Le Banner, #12 Ruslan Karaev, #18 Freddy Kemayo, and #25 Ben Edwards. According to the latest rumors, we may also see #8 Peter Aerts, #9 Gokhan Saki, and #10 Hesdy Gerges. That's every fighter in the top 12, with the exception of #2 Remy Bonjasky, who is currently on the sidelines recovering from eye surgery. I also would expect #16 Daniel Ghita, and perhaps #14 Tyrone Spong to be on this card as well, either in the Final 16 or in a reserve fight.
Amazingly, this is not the only card in the next month to feature a wealth of top 25 action. On October 16, United Glory hosts the first round of their world series event. Current names announced include Zimmerman, Saki, and #19 Brice Guidon. Since this is only two weeks after the Final 16, it's entirely possible Saki and/or Zimmerman could be forced to drop out.
It's Showtime also has a busy few months. On September 12 they will host #10 Gerges v. Rustemi Kreshnik, and on December 18 it will be Gerges up again facing Rico Verhoeven, along with #15 Ashwin Balrak v. Anderson "Braddock" Silva.
One final exciting fight to note. On September 19 in Muay Thai action, in will be #13 Nathan "Carnage" Corbett v. #23 Pavel Zhuravlev. A lot of people are critical of Corbett, claiming he seldom faces top competition, so it will be good to see him in there against a top 25 opponent.
Overall, that only leaves five top 25 fighters currently unaccounted for - Samedov, Manhoef, Ignashov, Catinas, and Sefo. Should be a fantastic fall.
We acknowledge that all rankings are inherently subjective, however we have set the following criteria to help determine rankings:
These rankings are meant to represent fighters throughout kickboxing, not only in K-1.
Rankings are based on recent win/loss records in the ring.
Rankings are divided into three weight classes - Heavyweight, for those fights at 85 kg and up, Middleweight, for fights at either 70 or 72 kg, and Lightweight, for fights at 63 kg.
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1.semmy doesnt know what the word jab means!!!he aint n.1!!!!!!!
2.bonjansky not even in top 10 my friend right now.he said no to a re-match with hari he hasnt fought nobody recently and he is n,2????come on..
3.alistar and zimmerman aint no legid top5!!!
dont get me wrong but being a good manager is one thing but telling u what to write is an other.so,stop s$$$ing bas boons and rutz d@@k and make the corrections in the rankings.
Also from which planet did u come from and rank souwer n.2 and petrosyan n.1??
n.1 is souwer!!and buakaw n.2.petrosyan with took the k-1 cup with wins of askerov,yamamoto and a very heart souwer after having fought 4 rounds with buakaw!!!
hinata,sato,yamamoto,leroy,holtzken better from zambidis and drago??
albert who is on n.5?krauss?xaxaxaxaxxax
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
what?
How about you make a coherent statement and have some reasoning behind your banter, instead of bashing the guy doing the work and writing this, its subjective, relax. Oh, and sem and petrosyan are both reigning k-1 champions I would say thats pretty solid grounds for them being in the top spot.
I appreciate you joining to comment.
Really, I do.
Also appreciate your enthusiasm for kickboxing, as it is a sport we love dearly, but you have to keep yourself calm here.
As for anyone telling us what to write, that is very far off base. The amount of people I have upset with me at any given time should be proof enough of that.
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So much anger…
For what it’s worth, I think Badr has shown that his anger and inability to follow the rules hurts his ability to win fights. I know that is a controversial opinion, and I expect to once again take some criticism for it, but I am happy to discuss. He’s also 0-2 against Remy, which is why Remy ranks higher.
As for Petrosyan: “from which planet did u come from and rank souwer n.2 and petrosyan n.1??” That would be the planet where Petrosyan has beaten Souwer twice.
We can discuss rankings without resorting to name calling and gay slurs, so please let’s do that. Rankings are always a point of contention, and I welcome discussion and dissenting opinion. But if it can’t be done without these kind of attacks, I ask that you take it elsewhere.
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souwer is n.1 p4p kickboxer in the world.as far as skills,mind and teqnice is concerned no one is better than him.no one .the only kick boxer that has wins over legends like masato,buakaw,kyshenko,zambidis,drago,yod…
in last years tournament he fought kyshenko-buakaw-petrosian in that order.
the 2 losses that you are saying is one contraversial home town decision in Milano and the other is last years final when souwer gave 4 very difficult rounds against a legend buakaw
how come u rate albert krauss higher than zambidis when zambidis has a k.o victory and a refereee stopage wich was one of the worst decisions in k-1 history.
direkci is worst than krauss???
buakaw is better than petrosian hands down as far as every aspect of the game…
if u think that yamamoto is better than zambidis ,jwp,gago then u should start watching other sports too like ballet ,poker ping pong and so on….
remmy doesnt have two wins my friend!!!
one is disqualification and the other is split decision which means contravercy.the legit win
that u claim that remmy has is 3 years ago!!!
Where did you see a controversy? There should be an extra round in their first fight, but the fact is that Remy did more damage, Hari’s legs were gone in the end of the third round and if I would have to name a winner after 3 rounds it would be Remy. In their second fight Remy won the first round 10-8. Open your eyes, sir.
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by dancingChicken on Sep 5, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
with eyes open i tell u first match was even that means extra round no matter what u think about his legs!!!In the second fight u have a disqualification which was fair but not a clear victory.So what i mean is nobody can say that remmy is better than hari based on that two fights.In skill level and stylisticaly Hari is centuries better than remmy who is a walking mistake.
u also sir think that alistair and zimmerman is better than hari???
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously you don’t like Remy. Yes, the first fight was even, and an extra round would be perfect, but Remy was picking Hari apart towards the end of the fight and that probably influenced the judges (or not). Even if there would be 4th round, Hari would have no legs. (point Remy).
Second fight wasn’t a clear victory, but it was Hari’s fault. Remy fought well, scored a knock down (point Remy) and Hari flushed it down the toilet with his absurd behavior.
You can say what you want, but the fact is that Remy was on top in both of their fights.
And personally I think that Hari is top 2/top 3 HW.
"...I don't want to save the World, I don't even want to save me. We're so boring that we don't event want to save ourselves...There's nothing left to say, we're so fucking boring. Let it die I say. Let there be a new beginning...It's awful. Goodnight"
by dancingChicken on Sep 6, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of questions. I’ll focus on Badr and Remy for now, as there will be new Middleweight rankings tomorrow. So, as for those two…
You can say that Remy doesn’t have two wins, but frankly, that’s simply not true. He does. Is there some controversy around them? Sure, but at the end of the day, twice Hari has faced Bonjasky, and twice Hari has failed to get the job done. I don’t see how you can say anything else.
As far as what Remy has accomplished, well, he’s a 3 time GP champion (a title Hari has never won), and in the past 5 years he’s only lost twice – to Aerts and Schilt. In that same timeframe, Badr has lost 8 times (Bonjasky, Bonjasky, Schilt, Gerges, Overeem, Karaev, Graham, Leko). Maybe Badr is more naturally talented (maybe) but he doesn’t execute as well as Bonjasky, and the proof is in what each man has accomplished.
One last comment – “if u think that yamamoto is better than zambidis ,jwp,gago then u should start watching other sports too like ballet ,poker ping pong and so on….” Last warning – no insults are welcome here. Yamamoto beat Drago just last year. I mean, I LOVE watching Drago fight, he’s one of my favorite fighters, and I root for him always. But the guy loses a lot of fights.
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1.if you really liked drago you would know that he won the enfusion tournament.that tournament doesnt make him a better fighter than he already is but for sure he goes up in the ranks..gago loses cause he fights everybody …even if u take that as granted gago still won yamamoto and caused great deal of pain in his face,just count the head snaps!!!
2.you continue not to anwer about zimmerman and overeem that means that u understand your mistake!!!remmy having won 3 times the gp doesnt mean nothing at 5 september 2010 when 2 years is not actually an active elite fighter,simple as that.with your logic if hoost comes back he is ranked n.2????
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Not that I’m always happy with these rankings (guys like Pajonsuk and Yuya being/having been ranked above Sato is a nightmare) but hats off to the HKL for organizing them with some measure of rationality.
The biggest factor influencing rankings are recent wins and losses. Badr might be capable of taking down Schilt, but he lost to him most recently and got a loss (if by DQ) to Gerges so it’s perfectly understandable if he’s taken down a peg.
Trying to rank fighters based on potential is nothing more than an exercise in self-delusion. I would love to see how His Cockiness justifies considering Zambidis’ win over Kraus 7 goddamn years ago to be a factor while dismissing Yamamoto’s win over Drago just last year.
i can accept my friend bard hari being n.2 in someones rankings !!!i dont have problem with that.
i am not from marocco or muslim.thats not the point.Still whoever u ask in this planet
that follows kickboxing will tell u that BAdr HAri is either n.1 or 2 in HW.Not one ,even his enemies
wont say that he is n.5!!!
i will say again Zambo fought twice Krauss.He k.o him easily the first time and krauss didnt even touch zambo!!!.In the second fight zambo bullied for three rounds albert and the japs gave it extra time.Mike had a cut and the referee stops it for a cute ,which in my opinion is a little bit bizarre…
so mike won twice fair and square albert…
As far as Gago is concerned please watch the fight with yaya and tell me if u think yaya won…
so mutch pain in yaya’s face for more than 2 months he could see!!!
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Still whoever u ask in this planet that follows kickboxing will tell u that BAdr HAri is either n.1 or 2 in HW.Not one ,even his enemies wont say that he is n.5!!!
Well, at least one person who follows kickboxing says he’s #5 :)
1. Overeem – Overeem and Hari are 1-1 against each other. They’ve both lost to Schilt. They’ve both lost to Bonjasky. They’ve both defeated Aerts. They’re really, REALLY close in the rankings. But Hari’s last fight was a loss and Overeem’s was a win, so I give him the nod.
2. Zimmerman – Like I said, I think Hari has GREAT tools, but his conduct causes him to lose fights. When he lost to Hesdy Gerges, I dropped him down a bit. Twice now he has caused himself to lose fights by flagrantly disobeying the rules. A pattern of not being able to stick by the rules and being DQ’d for that is, to me, not much different from a pattern of, say, having a weak chin and being KO’d. Hari lost to Gerges, and it was Hari’s fault. So I dropped him down. Zimmerman has a lot of wins against good names, so I moved him up.
3. I’m not sure I get your point about Bonjasky. You say he hasn’t been elite in two years, but in the past two years he has defeated Badr, Overeem, Manhoef, Saki, Zimmerman, Le Banner, and Slowinski and only lost to Schilt. I’d actually argue that of anyone in the top 10, Remy has had the toughest schedule in the past two years, as none of those guys are easy fights. Hoost hasn’t won the GP in 8 years. Bonjasky won the GP before last. That’s a HUGE difference.
4. You seem to simply discredit any win that doesn’t fit your view. So far you’ve given excuses for both Badr losses to Remy, Zambidis’s loss to Kraus, both Souwer loses to Petrosyan, and now Drago’s loss to Yuya? That seems like it’s ignoring reality in favor of just saying whoever you like is the best. But since we’re talking Drago – OK, if he is an absolute top name then why, in the last two years has he lost to: Chahid, Direkci, Oberg, Yuya, Kaestner, and Jose Reis? Is every single one of those fights an unfair decision?
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by Fraser Coffeen on Sep 5, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops, “lost to Schilt” should be “Lost in the GP”. My bad.
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by Fraser Coffeen on Sep 5, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
hold on cowboy
1.hari and the steroid junkie overeem are one -one at each but hari has done more
in the sport of kick boxing way more!!!he k.o d in one round semmy dont forget that!!!
he has a record of 6 win and 4 losses(3k.o) and he is top 3 better than hari ok?
!!!!sure
thats correct!!!!
2.lets see errol last 2 years when he started fighting big names.5 losses with three
wins over medium names as feitosa,roche,morosanu.YES U ARE RIGHT.5 loses and 3 wins over nobodies make him n.4.no doubt ..!!!u are correct!!!
3.watch zambidis vs krauss 2 and if u give credit to krauss for even a nice combo…ok u still correct!!!a what happened when he got k.od in the first punch>>???nothing i guess.he is n.5.ok!!!!he is much better than direkci,of course!!!
4.drago fights anybody never backs down.dont forget from which country the judges where when drago and yaya meet….the same happened when krauss meet buakaw in holland two years ago!!!!hometown decisions.
man no big deal!!!change the rankings and all good put zambo,gago,jwp,direkci in top 10 and leroy at n.22
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Iggy?
I am surprised Ignashov is not getting any fights. Thought he was coming back…
Royal Cocktails you should stop already. Not the perfect rankings,but hey,every single ranking is subjective,there are no legit,official,objective system on how to rank fighters.
Maybe Badr is a better fighter right now than Remy(slightly),maybe he is more exciting to watch,maybe he is more talented,but this is just theory,this is just your wish. Fact is,Remy performed better than Hari recently,accomplished more,so he deserves a higher ranking.
"Its not about the size of the dog in the fight...its about the size of the fight in the dog"
well how come you say its my wish soulbro1?u know me?
talent and skill is not theory….!!!!!heheheh…come on!!!
u have remmy that walk around the ring with high guards and doesnt nothing
and u take that as skill??
i judge fighters by their skills if u understand what skill means in k-1 fighting….
hari has more skills than anyone right know..his boxing abilities is great …
look at the combos … and you have semmy who really doesnt know what astiff jab is/…..
if u think that hari and remmy abilities have just a minor difference ….ok
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hari and Remy are like complete opposites of each other,fire vs water,offense vs defense,pure rage vs intelligence. Its like they were born to be rivals with each other.
But they are excatly the same in one thing: they are both incredibly skilled,elite K-1 fighters. So far Remys style was proven to be more effective,got him more accomplishments.
This is not a “who has the best boxing” list. And if you happen to understand what skills mean in K-1,you know that having an invincible defense,great kicks,great knees,very underrated hands,and always being calm cool and collected…those are skills. Remy has them.
"Its not about the size of the dog in the fight...its about the size of the fight in the dog"
by SoulBrotherNo1 on Sep 5, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
in most part you are correct!!
nice post!
yes remy had skills,i agree.i dont think any more…
i just didnt like he way of fighting he wasn’t a great counter poucher…
ok.every-one has differnt minds and opinion and in democracy all
opinions are welcome and accepted…!!
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
These rankings are good by me
The Middle and Lightweight rankings are garbage because you include Muay Thai but dont know a damn thing about it.
But these are good. Maybe I would switch Hari and Zimmerman but thats it. Under Full MT rules, Overeem would probably be #1 from what I’ve seen.
And you people need to get off Badr’s nuts. I doubt he feels the same about you.
shane if u refer to me i am no bard hari fan boy!!never been!!!.but for sure u are a hater boy.
i see in bard hari talent ,skill,movement and overall ability to atract crowd!!!i
when has overeem fought full muay thai rules??u would rank him n.1?xaxxaxa
why shane what has he done the last 3 years in kick boxing or fmt???
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
please answer me one thing,dude...
Why are you so upset over these things? Its not like these rankings will effect ANY fighter WHATSOEVER. Its just dear HKL staffs personal opinion,nothing more.
"Its not about the size of the dog in the fight...its about the size of the fight in the dog"
by SoulBrotherNo1 on Sep 5, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i like the site as well!!!no problem with the site!!!
we can have an argue or discussion for that things as gentlemen!!!
by Royal Cocktails on Sep 5, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
"as gentlemen"
;-)
"Its not about the size of the dog in the fight...its about the size of the fight in the dog"
by SoulBrotherNo1 on Sep 5, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said Overeem is #1 MT
I said ‘IF’ those guys fought under Full MT, Overeem is ‘Probably’ the best from what i’ve seen. I don’t care what he’s done, I’m going by visuals and watching these K-1 guys, and Overeem would be better under full rules.
Why can’t I give my opinion on these rankings? Isn’t that why theres a comments section?
Read what I said, Get off the meth, gain back some of your coherence, and get off Badr’s sack.
U ALL MAD
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by FloydJoyMayweatherSR on Sep 5, 2010 7:58 PM EDT reply actions
@ Karaev_fan
If you give them even and go by a head to head matchup, Semmy’s best strength is his huge size and reach which I think Overeem would negate to a degree. I also see semmy as a little on the fragile side, which isn’t good going up against overeems superior explosiveness and power. And finally why I would really like Overeem in Full MT is because of his freakish strength, especially in the clinch, and I think he would man handle all these guys and all the skill in the world couldn’t help them.
That was what my perspective was on that.
(you don’t have to be angry to have a discussion)
I dunno man. I still think Semmy still has enough size and reach to jab/kick Overeem to death, and the clinch is the last place you want to be against with against Schilt. Sure, if they fight ten times, Overeem might catch him once or twice, but even a guy as explosive as Badr has been caught by Semmy.
(The only one I’m anything close to angry at is King Cock.)
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