Anderson Silva Shows Why High Level Kickboxers Hate MMA
There are lessons to be learned from Saturday night's UFC 117 where Anderson Silva, arguably the best kickboxer in MMA, met Chael Sonnen, one of the better wrestlers to adapt to MMA in years. Anderson Silva claims to of gone into the bout with Sonnen with a broken rib, fighting against doctors' orders, but wanted to be a true champion and fight anyway. Sonnen went into the fight of his life looking to back up all of the talk he had done for the past few months, so the pressure was on for both men.
Recently, we took one of those speculatory looks into how Ando could fare in the K-1 world, and it is important to note that out of all of those names listed, only a few have ventured into the MMA world, and the only two who have had any success are Alistair Overeem and Semmy Schilt. Outside of that, MMA is generally a no-no for high level kickboxers for the obvious reasons of having to deal with grappling and takedowns, which means standard fight stances don't always work.
Anderson Silva took the risk that any fighter takes going in against a game opponent who is hungry and in the process ate a few shots from Chael Sonnen, a fighter not known for his stand up and will now have the misfortune of being dissected by fans and have his talents called into question. It is the risk every fighter takes stepping into a fight, but in MMA especially a striker takes a risk of being caught by someone who isn't known for their high level striking. In this case, Sonnen has always been known to have OK hand work to set up his takedown (his takedown almost always misses without the set up one-two), and in this case connected.
Some of the main criticisms against K-1 heavyweights in the past have been that they are very offense-oriented, but their defense is lacking compared to Middleweights. Many chalk that up to a stylistic preference, or how the rules of K-1 dictate the fighting style. So it seems MMA is the same where the rules dictate the style. If you take to heart the lack of defense of some of the K-1 Heavyweights (not all, obviously), it is apparent why many would like to stay away from MMA. Even with basic knowledge of takedown defense, the chance of getting hit by a striker not seen on their level could do damage to their credibility. On top of this, being laid upon for any amount of rounds is demoralizing.
If you want proof of this beyond Anderson vs. Sonnen, watch this video of Badr Hari in his lone MMA bout and understand why he'll never do MMA again. Watch Errol Zimmerman's top level striking not even come into play against Ikuhisa Minowa from Dynamite!! 2008, as well. So this is why you won't see many, if any kickboxers wander into MMA, and why there should be a certain level of respect given to fighters like Anderson Silva who are exceptional stand up fighters but choose to compete in MMA and learn every aspect of the game.
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It always blows my mind when I hear people say things like ‘people in MMA are terrible strikers… their stance/head movement/defense/hands/kicks/offense is terrible’.
It’s a completely different sport. A great MMA striker will look different than a great K1 Fighter or a great Boxer. After all, your alleged great striking won’t matter if it makes it easier to get takedowns. I don’t see why some people (definitely not you, not most people on this site) insist on dumping on MMA Striking. I think it is almost impossible to compare to the pure striking arts.
With that said, I don’t think that Anderson would do quite as well in K1 as you say, but I think he had the requisite abilities to be a fantastic fighter in any striking discipline (length, timing, reflexes, power) if he chose to train exclusively that for his entire career, instead of deciding on MMA. He just doesn’t have the seasoning in K1 rules, but there is no shame in that.
Anderson Silva doesn't think he would do well in K-1
He already addressed that.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
very true
Anderson is an amazing striker FOR mma but mediocre at best at k1 level.
Same goas for the k1 elite topnotch standup but even worse at the grappling aspect of mma.
But i think overeem and moussasi deserve even more respect both have k1 level standup and both are paying attention to the grappling aspect of mma (not so much on the wrestling but that will eventually come). But stop linking anderson to k1 there are way better examples
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by robinhorobson on Aug 9, 2010 9:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Martial Arts alone > Mixed Martial Arts
one of the reasons Mixed Martial Arts will never be as good as Martial Arts alone is exactly this. In MMA there is a Terrible Boxer, with some Muay Thai, with terrible Wrestling, some Jiu Jitsu considered CHAMPION. Someone with basic wrestling background Takes down the Mediocre Boxer and BOOM, Joe Rogan jumps and says “this guy is a GREAT wrestler”, when in a real wrestling competiton he would get wrecked by a top 200 true wrestler, or when A.Silva Dances 4 metres away of Leites (who doesn’t know sh!t about boxing) and UFC fanboys start to compare him with Roy Jones.
in Boxing, Muay Thai, Sanshou, Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu, Judo etc, YOU have to MASTER to fight on the highest level, and to beat MASTERS to become CHAMPION.
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For the most part many fighters are aware of this. Veterans like Randy Couture are aware that guys that wrestle in MMA wouldn’t compete well against collegiate or Olympic wrestlers because they’re just not breathing wrestling 24/7. They’re busy thinking about gettting submitted or punched in the face.
Even the world champion BJJ fighters understand that things change once they step into an MMA match and eventually they will lose some of their pure BJJ skills. We’ve already witnessed acclaimed wrestler’s being out-wrestled, kick boxers being knocked out and BJJ experts being submitted.
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by VeeisAnimated on Aug 9, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
This is absolutely, 1,000% true
This is why I feel that certain fighters, if they trained full time in one thing could be amazing. If Anderson Silva trained full time in boxing or kickboxing he’d be a force.
If Demian Maia went back to BJJ only competition, he’d be a beast. If Joe Warren got his shit sorted out and gave Olympic wrestling a go again, well, you get the picture.
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it's not true at all
It’s just a crappy opinion you 3 ignoramus share.
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Its a matter of preference,really. Its true that the avg level of striking in MMA never will come close to the avg level of striking in boxing/k-1,same with grappling. MMA is like a jack of all trades,master of none,while boxing,K-1,wrestling,submission grappling is for specialists,and they reach a much higher level in those disciplines.
Both has its beauties for sure. If you are a die hard MMA fan and try to watch boxing,you will miss the kicks and takedowns,and think that boxing is an inferior sport because of this. “Too one-dimensional”. If you are a die hard boxing fan,and try to watch MMA,you will find the striking in MMA awful,rightfully so.
For me,its kickboxing #1,MMA #2,and boxing #3,but the gap between MMA and boxing is closing up. Stalling kills MMA (and I love the grappling aspect of it,just not the “hold down and grind out a win” aspect),and boxing is fun.
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by SoulBrotherNo1 on Aug 9, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
See, I'm with you, all the way.
You are, as always, a reasonable dude. I appreciate it.
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thank you very much,good to hear,if its true :-)
one more thing that I would add to this Anderson Silva debate:
I dont understand some of you guys. For one,I dont understand those who say that Anderson would school the likes of Hari,Bonjasky,Schilt,AO… Anderson looks GREAT…against sub-par strikers. I think he would lose to Corbett and Spong as well,let alone Hari or Remy. But he would make some noise for sure,sometimes K-1 qualification GPs have very weak competition,Anderson could win for example the same one that Singh Jaideep won last year.
But this is more important: why would anyone hate on Anderson because of this? If you are kickboxing fans first (like I am),dont be jealous and dont get overly defensive when somebody mentions that Silva is a world class elite striker…rather…just appreciate the fact,that there is somebody in MMA who represents “our art” at a very high level.
BJJ fans dont hate on Maia just because many MMA fans think that he has the best jiu-jitsu in the world,even though in reality there are some better grapplers out there (Garcia,Estima,Jacaré,Roger Gracie,Xande Ribeiro for example). No…BJJ fans root for Maia,so I think who visits this site and comments on a regular basis should just get behind Anderson Silva most of the times :-)
"Its not about the size of the dog in the fight...its about the size of the fight in the dog"
by SoulBrotherNo1 on Aug 9, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
That is what I like to hear, and I agree.
You have a guy that can get people excited about kickboxing, just like Maia can excite people about BJJ. What is wrong with that?
That is exactly how I’ve been approaching this whole thing; people think Ando is the best MMA striker (it is hard to disagree as he is the most artful), so why put up a piece saying “NO, HERE ARE ALL OF THE HOLES IN HIS GAME AND WHY HE SUCKS?”
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well its now a lot clearer of the purpose of the article
Is to get the mma fan excited for k1 and you are right why not use one of the best mma fighters.
But the whole discussion of pointing out his weaknesses you started it with saying he would stand a chance against kyotaro zimmerman etc.
People who are k1 fans first are gonna defend that.
But i gotta say it is working i think this gotta be one of the bussiesst topics on hkl
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by robinhorobson on Aug 9, 2010 5:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Matt Ghaffari was a US alternate, too
That forever spoiled how I feel about alternates, sorry man.
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Basically
This article is about giving Anderson respect for going in MMA and not being strictly a kickboxer?
Should the same respect be given to a wrestler who decides not to dedicate himself to his original sport and opts to join the profession of mixed martial arts and risk being choked out or punched in the face?
MMA > The UFC
I don't see why not.
It is also saying that people who dedicate themselves to a lone art deserve respect for honing their skills to the level that they do.
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"they are very offense-oriented, but their defense is lacking"
“the chance of getting hit by a striker not seen on their level could do damage to their credibility”
Can you say Melvin Manhoef vs. Robbie Lawler? (Just like Silva vs. Sonnen, in the case of one guy winning by a very lopsided disparity… until he lost it in a moment of weakness, by someone seemingly nowhere near his level.)
The level of K-1 striking is vastly overrated. This has been proven many times. I would bet money that JDS could train striking full-time for three months then walk into K-1 and KO Badr Hari in round one.
so you think the best kickboxers in the world dont fight in kickboxing? Yeah,with cross training guys like JDS could be successful,but lets not get carried away here,bro.
"Its not about the size of the dog in the fight...its about the size of the fight in the dog"
by SoulBrotherNo1 on Aug 12, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions

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