Anderson Silva vs. The World; How Does he Stack up Against the K-1 Elite
by Dave Walsh on Aug 6, 2010 11:40 AM EDT
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I’ve been asked this question dozens of times over the past year or so, and it has been mulling over in my mind for quite a while. I’ve never really been sure how to approach the topic or if it really is worth the time and effort. As with all speculation, it is speculation. You look at a MMA standout like Anderson Silva and of course you wonder how he’d be able to compete with athletes in other, similar sports.
Roy Jones, Jr. has been the most obvious comparison for most, confident with flair and ability, both men are natural performers and can do things in the ring that make even a gifted opponent look lost, but Jones peaked years ago and a bout with Silva would hardly be what it could of been with both men in their prime. So for right now the big question is, how does Anderson Silva stack up against the K-1 elite? Last night BloodyElbow’s Jonathan Snowden and myself sat down and chatted with Michael Schiavello for a while, and this exact topic came up, and he was adament that Badr Hari would destroy Silva in a kickboxing match. That is what brought me here, so for right now it is time to see how Silva stacks up against K-1’s elite Heavyweights and Superheavyweights.
Badr Hari - Why not start at the top? I recommend reading Fraser’s breakdown of Anderson Silva, which will be used as the measuring stick for him against everybody on this list. Badr Hari is a rare case of a fighter who has raw skill and power, but his one weakness is not being in control of his emotions. Badr Hari is incredibly aggressive, which has led to some of his most famous victories. The best example is against Semmy Schilt. Schilt is a guy who keeps fighters at a distance and when he does close in, it is on the ropes where he can clinch and smother. Badr knew this and went guns ablaze, which took Schilt off his game and sent him crashing to the canvas. Silva would undoubtedly play with Badr, trying to get him to engage, which he would. What this fight would come down to would be Badr’s aggression and Silva’s patience.
I’m just not certain that Anderson has the power to fend off Badr. Badr against smaller opponents, like Gerges and Karaev turn into a massacre, and Anderson is not much bigger than those two. I see Anderson faring well, but Badr catching Anderson and swarming until Anderson goes down a few times for a TKO.
Semmy Schilt - Schilt is, much like Silva, a puzzle for most. They both possess a special something that makes them nearly impossible to defeat. This one is going to be short and sweet, as Silva does not like to put himself in danger unless he has to and Schilt is ok just picking fighters apart at a safe distance. I simply don’t see Silva getting in close enough to do any damage, nor could he work his clinch against the bigger, stronger Schilt. Semmy would take Anderson by decision and no one would be thrilled.
Kyotaro - Kyotaro is the current K-1 Heavyweight Champion and for all of the talent he possesses, this fight would be a massacre. Kyotaro works a slow, methodical style and relies on a powerful one-punch knockout when an opponent makes a mistake. Anderson would not ever make that mistake. Anderson would do what he does best, frustrating and luring Kyotaro, keeping him at bay with jabs and front kicks before unloading on him when he sees an opening. This fight might include a lot of dancing.
Ruslan Karaev - Karaev is a smaller Heavyweight, very technical and explosive. He has great power for a fighter his size, and has shown he can hang with bigger fighters and match them shot for shot. Karaev’s main problem is not being able to solve the Badr Hari Riddle. I actually, truly believe that Karaev would offer a unique challenge for Silva, as Karaev has good defense and is able to keep his senses. Generally it is the very aggressive fighters that pose a problem for Ruslan, while an artist like Anderson he can usually keep his wits. I see this being a very technical chess match, but with Anderson’s superior clinch and kicks able to get him the victory.
Remy Bonjasky - This is another fight that would be interesting to see unfold, but not entirely fun to watch. Bonjasky’s defenses are incredible and require brute force to penetrate (see: Schilt and Overeem), but if anybody had the patience and ability to find a way, it would be Silva. Of course, we know what happens when you make the Flying Gentleman mad; he starts getting sloppy with his combinations and looks for the kill, this is where I see Silva shining and taking it to Bonjasky.
Melvin Manhoef - I love Melvin, but Silva would make mince meat of him within a minute. Manhoef’s aggression works in some cases, but against Silva it would lead to a quick end. His best weapon would be his dangerous leg kicks, but it would bring him in too close to Silva and open up for a clinch.
Alistair Overeem - Overeem, of course, comes from a similar MMA background and is much bigger and stronger. I feel like the best way to get a read on this matchup would be to watch Overeem vs. Remy Bonjasky to see how a smaller, more defensive fighter handles Overeem’s size and strength. I feel like Anderson has an advantage over Bonjasky in the counter-striking department and could possibly connect with on the jaw of Overeem and send him crashing to the mat after a few rounds of work.
Errol Zimmerman - Zimmerman brings a lot to the table as a Heavyweight prospect, with power, accuracy and the ability to take a beating. I’m just not sure he has the ability to fend off a master tactician like Anderson Silva or the skills to knock him off of his game. Zimmerman’s fight with Bonjasky last year showed how he approaches a fighter with solid defenses. I can see Anderson clowning Zimmerman with jabs, frustrating him into making a mistake and walking into a symphony of destruction.
So, what do you think? Who poses the greatest threat in K-1 to Anderson Silva?
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good post
But the hari vs hesdy wasnt really a massacre it was one sided but i didnt count hesdy out especially before the kick
And although bonjasky fights very defensivly when he throws combinations they are beautiful and very accurate.
I think silva can only put the b level k1 fighters in trouble like karaev or bouzidi or braddock silva or manhoef
But overeem bonjasky zimmerman hari hesdy schilt saki spong would smash anderson even most of max guys would smash him
But k1 isnt the place for silva main strenght and thats the clinch, and we all know that rule has been changed
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by robinhorobson on Aug 6, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Silva said,
While many celebrate his striking in MMA, Silva has no grand delusions as to how he would fare against K-1’s top fighters. He said he would probably get KO’ed against.
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VEe is ANIMated!
i think you dont watch k1
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by robinhorobson on Aug 6, 2010 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol
He could take out the smaller, less technical fighters like Manhoef, and Karaev.
Anyone who thinks he can take out the top guys like Schilt, Hari, and Bonajsky are flat out retarded.
MMA stand up is complete garbage. Take Rich Franklin for example. He’s considered one of the best strikers in MMA, and when he fought Silva he had his hands down by his side while Silva was kneeing the shit out of him. Anyone who has taken ONE muay thai class knows thats the WORST thing you can do while being kneed in the clinch.
It just goes to show that MMA striking sucks if one of the best guys doesn’t know basic muay thai.
Irvin, Griffin, Cote, Henderson.
Yeah, cause beating those crap strikers means you can compete with Hari, and Schilt.
LMFAO
by Cacti45 on Aug 6, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
One thing
Rich Franklin is not considered one of the best strikers in MMA.
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"MMA stand up is complete garbage."
This shows ignorance that is borderline retarded.
MMA stand up is the way it is because of the diversity of attacks an MMA fighter has to be prepared for. MMA defense requires hands somewhat lower than standard defense for boxing or K1 because of the threat of the takedown. K1 appears better because the focus is on a smaller variety of options and therefore more specialization. I’m sure K1 hand striking is behind the best in pro boxing because boxers have even less to focus on. Somewhere there is a thumb wrestling fan talking smack about the shitty thumb control boxers have.
Frankly, if Anderson gave up MMA and focused only on K1 style kickboxing, then I don’t see anyone on the list who has shown, to me as a casual K1 viewer, the intangible skills that make Anderson’s strike so lethal in MMA.
Anderson’s sense of timing and distance allow him to hang in the pocket unlike anyone I have seen this side of Neo.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
WTF is Silva going to do to Bonjasky?
Hes smaller, and he cant knee. He’s going to kick, and punch through his defense?
Give me a fucking break dude.
Its getting harder, and harder to take this site serious.
... then don't take it seriously
I mean, seriously, why pull that? Who cares?
Bonjasky has one eye at this point and the fight with Zimmerman was far from his most shining moment. If that Remy showed up against Ando, who knows, Ando could have a better chance than you are giving him credit for.
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Me thinks your Man Crush for Ando is a little too much…Kyotaro is the HW Champ for a reason, and the list of Contenders are well, Contenders for a reason. Silva has great striking granted, but he wouldnt fair at K1 anybetter then Fedor would…
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Nah
A lot of this is devil’s advocate. I like Anderson a lot and feel like within MMA he is without peer, but in K-1 I don’t see him faring very well. I mean, did people miss me saying Karaev would take him? I feel like entering K-1 he would be on the Karaev level, if that.
The Heavyweight belt in K-1 is, well, not that important. Kyotaro is good but not great with a lot of holes in his game. You have to be realistic about him. The win over Aerts was big, I think it proved a lot for him, but he still has a ways to go before I’d put him in the elite. I mean the Spong loss should really set off some sirens on that.
Spong has had issues dealing with heavier guys and Kyotaro is smaller and way less skilled than Spong.
Basically, what I’m saying is, I’d feel comfortable tossing Ando into the mix with Kyotaro, Song, Saki and Karaev to see how he fares. Everything else is baseline speculation.
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i think you are overlooking
Kyotaro, spong and saki. They are young and dangerous and not at karaev level these are fighters who are looking at the top 10, karaev is a fighter who really cant hang anymore with the top and is on his way back. I dont think anderson is really on that k1 level he would have it hard enough at a showtime event
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by robinhorobson on Aug 6, 2010 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Japanese are
Silva’s kryptonite, I can totally see Kyotaro KO’ing Silva. Remember Chonan outstruck Anderson Silva in Pride, he is no god.
He had a broken ankle in that fight though. It was one of those fights that you take because you NEED money.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 6, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I really doubt you can fight with a broken ankle. Maybe he’s exaggerating. Anyway, one thing for sure, he’s better now than he was at that time.
Its possible if it is smaller
I had a hairline fracture in my foot from skateboarding when I was a kid and didn’t know it was broken for a while but was walking around on it and still skating kind of ok.
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I see
but I believe that’s the king of injuries the fighters often get in training. Don’t think it has that much to do in Chonan victory, I just think he was in the night of his life (best submission ever IMO).
currently,out of this list,Silva stands a chance against Manhoef and Karaev only,in my opinion. Silva shines against sub-par strikers,there are some guys who are roughly the same weight and I would definitely favour them over Silva,like Carnage,Spong,or Hutnik.
I just cant see Silva hurting Bonjasky. At all.
Manhoef and Karaev often get careless,and they have a suspect chin,so Andy would stand a good chance against them.
"Its not about the size of the dog in the fight...its about the size of the fight in the dog"
HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE CRAZY????
When has Silva showed he can do anything against a high-level kickboxer? Please link me the fight because I don’t think it exists. The guy clowns nobodies (and mostly grapplers at that) and one of the sites I most respect for K-1 news says he could beat Errol fucking Zimmerman?? Ridiculous… Zimmerman by KO the first time Anderson comes in for his dreaded clinch (which would be mostly illegal in K-1 anyway).
lol I posted that before I saw that you guys were predicting him to beat Overeem too. There’s a reason Anderson fights at 185, so that he doesn’t have to go against guys like Overeem. C’mon… and Remy…Anderson could MAYBE last a round with a one-eyed Remy…MAYBE.
Silva weighs over 230 usually
His cutting process is long and tough.
I think it’s funny how much people are undercutting Silva here. I don’t think he’d be a beast in K-1 by any means, I think he’d be incredibly challenged, but to just dismiss him because he does MMA is rather crass. His fighting style in MMA is what it is because he is unchallenged. If he trained specifically for high level kickboxing I’m sure his style would adhere better and he would be doing a lot of different stuff.
That is what goes on with hypothetical stuff like this, you can’t talk about switching sports and simply assume he’ll fight exactly the same as he does in MMA. It is way different.
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If you want real level-headed objective opinions, forget it
all people want to think is “this is our sport and we’re superior, and some inferior MMA guy couldn’t possibly come into our sport and triumph.”
Honestly speaking, I wonder how many of these guys expected Overeem to just get squashed by every K-1 guy he faced and Overeem was never really regarded as all that mighty of a stand up fighter, he was primarily known as a submission guy.
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by Fake Emcee on Aug 7, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well maybe because he started training in muay thai under lucien carbin
And i dont think many people thought that he would get outclassed by k1, he does train out of golden glory a k1 level trainingcamp.
Anderson just only stands a chance against karaev and manhoef both reckless sloppy and cant overpower anderson but else he doesnt stand a chance
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by robinhorobson on Aug 7, 2010 5:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So let me get this straight, Anderson fights at 185 so he doesn’t have to fight Overeem…who isn’t anywhere near his weight class…who isn’t in the same promotion…who was a complete non-factor in MMA until his last fight.
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He cuts to 185 so he doesn’t have to fight HWs, not Overeem in particular. I like that you leaped to the conclusion that I meant Overeem specifically though. lol.
I’ll admit I didnt see Overeem beating Hari, but he and every other MMA fighter thats crossed over and been successful have one thing that Silva doesn’t, and thats brute force. Anderson Silva is quick, but in terms of quickness there are a lot of people in K-1 that are on his level and in terms of power and ability to take punishment he is well below the curve.
As for people saying “this is our sport we’re superior”, I would argue thats what anyone is doing when they say Anderson would win all these matches in K-1. He is a fine MMA fighter with a (small) amateur Muay Thai background. Kickboxing is not his sport. MMA is. Its not elitist or disrespectful to say Floyd Mayweather would beat BJ Penn in a boxing match (even if BJ has good boxing), or that Roger Federer would beat Jose Aldo in a tennis match (even if Jose was a successful amateur tennis player) for that matter because THEY ARE DIFFERENT SPORTS.
I singled out Overeem since you happened to mention him, really I just don’t like the idea that because a guy walks around at a certain weight and fights at another that somehow means he’s trying to duck the heavier guys. If that was the case pretty much all fighters are guilty of that. Heavyweight wouldn’t be the right weight class for him to fight at anyway, he walks around at about 220 to 230 at the heaviest if he isn’t training which would mean really LHW would be the perfect weight but he’s currently got too many buddies at the weight class for him to want to compete there. How do you know Anderson doesn’t have brute force? How do you really know what he’s actually capable of if he’s not really able to show off his full capabilities in all of his fights. In MMA Anderson likes to use a very controlled more precise manner of striking, and it’s that speed advantage that he happens to carry in the sport that he likes to utilize more than anything.
You can’t base how he looks fighting in MMA on how he’d look if he took the time to focus training on specifically kickboxing, and really until he does that this whole debate is seemingly irrelevant. I’m just saying if Overeem who was a guy that nobody really regarded as one of the better strikers in the sport can go on to accomplish what he did, then maybe people shouldn’t be so quick to doubt a guy thats considered miles ahead of anybody else in the sport of MMA today on the feet.
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perfectly said
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by robinhorobson on Aug 7, 2010 5:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Overeem?
Is he that guy who has the k1 elite level orfstriking that no mma can topple standing up?? I think I seen him get tooled on the feet by those sloppy beasts a few times, I think some Iceman guy beat skapped him around a bit before he got ran out of the sport by his boss
I agree
Those other guys are too big, strong, and technical.
by Horselover Fat on Aug 6, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Make ludicrous statements and get page views, isn’t that what journalism is all about?
MMA > The UFC
It’s a typical “what if” post, not a ludicrous statement. Just loose up and have some fun.
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by dancingChicken on Aug 7, 2010 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that was kind of the point
Hell I don’t even agree with most of it, I was just trying to be objective. A part of me would take great joy in seeing Ando get destroyed by a guy like Ewerton Teixeira.
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Let's hope Anderson gets fired...
…so we can see him return to Japan. Bonjasky vs. Anderson would be amazing. But to be honest, I’m really torn. It seems impossible to even fathom Anderson fighting in K-1 against any top ten guys.
LMFAO!
You retards still think Anderson could hang with the K-1 elite?
Fucking out struck by a fucking wrestler is Sonnen. LMAO
Yeah those loopy crap punches in the 3rd were was a display or world class striking.
rolls eyes
Bonjasky would flat out rape that guy.
No offense intended..
But you are pretty much on the thinnest of ice here. If you can argue intelligently, go for it, but the way you are doing it is by not saying much and just using strong language to make a thinly veiled point. Trust me, I’ve trolled the shit out of people for years, I know how it works.
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Sooooooo...
Now that Anderson got dropped twice by a one-dimensional wrestler who are we gonna put up there now? I see Giorgio Petrosyan falling to BJ Penn’s AMAZING BOXING! Or maybe Shogun Rua would rock and eventually KO Semmy Schilt in K-1 rules with his black belt in muay-thai…
lol.
Sorry, the “Anderson has the best striking in the history of mankind – just look how he took out Leben and Forrest!” hype train is one hype train I am very happy to see derailed.
Badr Hari is one of the best in the world
.. and he got murdered by Alistair Overeem.
That is fighting. That is how fighting works. Just because you get beaten up once in a while doesn’t take anything away from your talents or abilities, it simply shows your ability to overcome and evolve.
… and pretty much nobody could come in and beat up Sem Schilt. Ever. I think using him can only strengthen the argument that a great striker doesn’t always show that in MMA. Fedor beat Sem Schilt, does that make Sem obsolete in K-1?
Like seriously, I’m sort of shocked at how short-sighted people are with this stuff.
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well now that you are realistic
That anderson outclassed leben, griffin and franklin still doesnt make him near k1 worthy.
He would even have trouble standing with the mma elite strikers like alves,shogun and definitely overeem.
So saying he could take on k1 elite is giving his standup to much credit. Its amazing in mma but it is mediocre at best in k1.
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by robinhorobson on Aug 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Learn your K-1
Actually Badr Hari KO’d Sem Schilt in 2009 at It’s Showtime. Additionally I was personally at the WGP Final 16 in Seoul in 2008 and Peter Aerts beat the shit out of Semmy Schilt for three rounds and won a UD. So Semmy Schilt can be beat. In fact he’s been beaten by Aerts one other time, Choi Hong Man and Alexey Ignashov as well. Additionally Badr Hari completely dismantled Overeem in the 2009 WGP Finals. Most K-1 people consider Badr’s first loss to Overeem to be a fluke considering that he’d just had his famous DQ loss to Bonjasky in the 2008 K-1 final. His own trainer said his head was totally messed up. That’s not to take anything away from Overeem as a kickboxer. He’s good. He destroyed Peter Aerts, Ewerton Teixiera and in my opinion beat Remy Bonjasky as well. That’s one thing I really hate about K-1. You have to knock Bonjasky out to get a win over him. No matter how bad you beat his ass he always wins on a split decision because Japanese judges have zero scruples and show blatant favoritism. In the 2008 WGP Final 16 in Seoul I watched Badr Hari beat the living shit out of Choi Hong Man for three rounds breaking his ribs and landing unanswered strikes for most of the bout. The judges called it a draw after three rounds simply because Choi is Korean and they didn’t want to offend the Korean fans. Choi’s corner threw into the towel and he was taken to the hospital with severely broken ribs and internal bleeding. Finally to agree with most of you putting AS in the same breath as strikers of this caliber is ridiculous. For the record I don’t think that Overeem is a great technical striker either but he’s got a ton of power and can absorb punishment. If you’ve ever been to a K-1 event live you’d all know that most of these dudes are huge. Most of them are 6-4 or taller and solidly built. He might do ok against the lower level guys like Kyotaru, Spoong, the grandpa’s Peter Aerts and LeBanner, but against the top-level guys I doubt it.
Yep.
The other was a slip.
Plus the whole broken rib thing plays into this, he really didn’t look like himself standing at all and his ground work was pretty terrible. He is usually a lot more active off of his back.
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wow just wow!
Making excuses and everything
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by robinhorobson on Aug 8, 2010 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it was a slip that would have been called a knockdown in K-1 (unless his name is Hiroya)
I think what irks a lot of us about Anderson Silva being called one of the best strikers in the world is that Anderson Silva has gained his reputation from completely outclassing people in the striking department (except when he’s “hurt”), yet he hasn’t really faced anyone who can strike. He’s faced people that can brawl, but no-one has used technique against him (except Ryo Chonan, who beat him). Chael Sonnen’s striking is not good at all, but he used some very basic technique and ended up winning the stand-up battle and making Silva look terrible.
Oh, and about Schilt, Fedor (a better MMA striker than Silva imho, who has trained with Hoost, Spong and JLB) took 0 risk and took the fight right to the ground. I don’t think he threw a punch on the feet. Please show me an MMA fight in the last 10 years in which Semmy Schilt got outstruck on the feet…because its certainly happened in K-1 a few times…
I said last 10 years, and you pick a fight that happened 11 years ago, before Semmy was training with a good kickboxing gym (Yvel was, ironically enough), and with a bizarre ruleset where Yvel was allowed to punch but Semmy wasn’t. Good job scrolling through fightfinder though.
lulz
Buakaw got dropped twice by Dida. What do you make of that?
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by dancingChicken on Aug 8, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Clearly it means Buakaw must be TERRIBLE
Right!?
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well buakaw always starts sloppy
But he destroyed dida later
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by robinhorobson on Aug 8, 2010 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The one in the first round? Yeah, that was a knockdown
Nobody will contest that.
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disgust
Honestly, the analysis on this site has got me having a heart attack. You have anderson being the favorite against bonjasky, zimmerman, overeem, etc . . . ? I’ve argued so many times against what your theorizing that I have lost count.
You guys over at this site are great on posting upcoming events and breaking news about K-1 but . . . I don’t know if you have a hard on for anderson or just have selective knowledge on the subject, but I, with the majority of true K-1 fans, are outraged by these statements.
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