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Muaythai  & MMA Cross Fighting

By Cameron Fraser

 

Nobody can deny that Mixed Martial Arts is a phenomenon that has gained popularity faster over the past 10 years than any other sport in North America. MMA has gone from an obscure pay per view cage match to a refined, highly lucrative industry. The mix of striking and grappling makes for an incredible display of athleticism and skill, as well as an impressive and exciting show.

 

I have had the privilege of attending several MMA events over the past few years, as well as many Muaythai events. The similarities of both events are obvious in many ways, but none more so than the fact that at both MMA and Muaythai events, the crowd loves to see striking. It’s actually incredibly common to see MMA fighters wearing Thai shorts, showing where their strength and passion lays – Muaythai. 

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Hard punches, cracking leg kicks, and clinch knees get the crowd standing every time. Unfortunately, those crowds are drawn to MMA events in much greater numbers. Many MMA fans say outright that they would not attend a Muaythai event, even though they prefer the striking aspect of MMA.

 

To gain some perspective from the side favouring Muaythai, I caught up with K-1 superstar Michael "The Black Sniper" McDonald. Michael is a three-time K-1 World Grand Prix Las Vegas champion, holds WKA and WKC championships, and has tried his hand at MMA against the likes of Lyoto Machida and Rick Rufous.

 

"I think they love MMA more in North America than in, say, Japan because we do things differently here.  The Japanese do things in a way where they start having big freak show fighters who are huge against smaller, more technical fighters, so when the fight goes to the ground it does get boring because it’s one-sided action. The ref will stand the fighters up a lot more often in Japan because the fans want their money’s worth. In North America we’ve got the UFC pumping millions of dollars into the MMA industry, and it shows. The matches are intense."

 

"I think the MMA hype is bigger in North America than anywhere else. Coaches and trainers are telling Muaythai fighters they should try MMA, and the draw is there because the salary is bigger than any other fighting sport. A lot of the new fighters in UFC are offered $20,000 to fight, and their win bonus is another $20,000. You never see that sort of money in Muaythai fights."

 

What Michael said resounds loudly with almost every MMA fighter I’ve spoken with who got their start in Muaythai. The money is unfortunately a very big attraction. Even more unfortunate is that the lack of opportunities for Muaythai fighters coupled with the abundance of MMA events is encouraging more Muaythai fighters than ever to make the transition into MMA.

 

Many well-known MMA fighters in North America did just that. Names like Sam Stout, Shawn Tompkins, Syd Barnier, Mark Hominick, Markhaile Wedderburn, and Mark Holst are well-known in the MMA community, but they all got their start in Muaythai and kickboxing events.

 

The two sides are split down the middle – many fighters see MMA as the more challenging and well-rounded sport. On the other hand, an equal number of fighters find Muaythai to be the more entertaining and rewarding of the two disciplines.

 

Carlos "The Ronin" Newton provided me with a different angle – he says MMA really isn’t a new phenomenon, and appeals to our society the way gladiators appealed to the Roman Empire. Carlos is a seasoned MMA veteran, having fought in the UFC, Pride, K-1, IFL, and W-1, holding many championships throughout his career. 

 

"For me the MMA phenomenon is something that was expected. MMA was truly the first Olympic sport ever. MMA is a sport that holds no cultural boundaries. North America doesn’t represent the world, this is a worldwide sport. Here people like to see striking, in other places people like to see grappling."

 

"People like to stick to what they’re used to, and people here just aren’t used to Muaythai or kickboxing. Boxing is still a big part of American sports, but in other areas of the world it’s completely obsolete. At the end of the day, when it comes down to a sport that represents human potential in its entirety, it’s MMA."

 

"Muaythai is a tough sport, they’re tough guys.  I think a lot of them just want to try something different. There’s easier ways to make a living...I really don’t think that anybody would choose MMA just for the money."

 

That may be true for some, but many others see no other viable choice if they want to make enough money as a fighter to support their family. Many pro fighters have other full-time jobs, training at early morning and late at night every day, taking fights whenever they can.

 

Such is the case for Markhaile Wedderburn, a strong Muaythai fighter from Hamilton, Ontario who decided to try his hand at MMA but never lost his passion for Muaythai.

"I’ve been training Muaythai since I was 14. I was, and always will be a Muaythai fighter.  MMA is simply more mainstream and it pays my bills. There are more events and more money involved, and that’s the bottom line."

 

"The UFC has a reality show on primetime TV that gets a lot of exposure. MMA is more accessible in North America than Muaythai is."

 

Markhaile makes a good point.  Even gyms that used to teach strictly one or two martial arts disciplines are now advertising that they teach MMA.  Gyms are hiring Muaythai and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructors to appeal to the desires of new students. Many people join these gyms with no intention of ever competing, and may not even have known about Muaythai before joining an MMA gym.

Ultimately, nearly every MMA athlete will learn Muaythai during the course of their training.  And MMA fans will see Muaythai in nearly every fight. 

 

Muaythai is becoming popular in a very subtle way – through the rapidly growing MMA industry. MMA is bringing Muaythai into the mainstream, although Muaythai as a sport itself is far less popular. I believe it’s only a matter of time before Muaythai events happen with more frequency and even more popularity, and that will happen as the MMA industry grows. For now, I don’t mind tuning in to an MMA event knowing that Muaythai is still being shown to everyone else watching, even if they don’t know it.  WMM

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if i was a professional fighter preferred have less salary and fans but my fans know somethings about martial arts not only bloody cages and brutal KOs.
by the way don’t forget usa politics ( K-1 had not allow to held events in many states of usa but now mma is held event in same states!! )
but i think K-1 has a shining future.
VIVA K-1.

by k1wgp on Feb 19, 2010 2:57 AM EST reply actions  

Nice article.

And MMA fans will see Muaythai in nearly every fight

They will hear name “Muay Thai” in nearly every fight, but there are very few fighters that show MT striking and what it’s about. At the highest level, Brandon Vera is one of those few fighters. He has beautiful technique, rhythm, he uses all the weapons MT has to offer, it’s pleasure to watch him move and fight. Unfortunately he has an opinion of a boring fighter.

by dancingChicken on Feb 19, 2010 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

The problem with MT in MMA..

Is that the natural balance and stance used in Muay Thai is basically useless in MMA when you have to worry about being taken down. Against even a novice wrestler this leaves a front leg and most of the midsection uncovered.

The center of gravity is a bit higher in Muay Thai as the legs are used to block kicks as well as are always primed to attack themselves.

This is why you’ll never see any truly beautiful Muay Thai in a higher level MMA competition.

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by Dave Walsh on Feb 19, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I know, it’s obvious. But it’s not only that. If you truly know Muay Thai, it’ll show, even if your stance is modified. Vera is a great example. You can tell where his kicks come from, you can’t get rid of this characteristic hip movement (I mean you probably can, to some extent). His kicks are nothing like Forrest’s kicks.

Either way, there are guys that represent MT, even if it’s only 70% of MT, there are guys that train kickboxing and call it Muay Thai because it sounds cool.

Funny fact: Frankie Edgar is/was a Muay Thai coach in one of the gyms ( I don’t remember the name though). Ricardo Almeida said it in one of the interviews.

by dancingChicken on Feb 19, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve seen a number of fighters using a standard or slight variation of the muay thai stance in an MMA event leaving themselves open to a take down. Outside of Brandon Vera see Mauricio “Shogun” Rua vs. Lyoto Machida. Rua often employs MT in his fights. If you haven’t, you really need to Ben Saunders use of the double collar tie – muay thai clinch – and his knees on the inside against Brandon Wolff and Marcus Davis.

Notes.

  • Vera is viewed as boring for several reasons. He’s very tentative and was a far better fighter prior to 2006. When I say better, I mean that fans appreciated that he finished his opponents. Personally I think he’s entertaining to watch because he’s extremely talented.
  • I think this article really overlooks the grappling component that encompasses jiu-jitsu, wrestling, and even judo-particularly when you see a great judo technicians. Some fans get turned off by poor-mediocre strikers. I think many lack good kick-boxing, boxing, muay thai skills, but that’s another point.

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by VeeisAnimated on Feb 21, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s difficult to find muay thai events in my state….so i started competing in mma.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Feb 19, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

MMA is a worldwide sport? I dont know about that,in most countries boxing and/or kickboxing is still ahead of MMA. For example where I live (eastern europe) its not even comparable.

I have only one problem with MMA:

I really like when two good strikers meet in a striking fight. Fights like Shogun-Machida,CroCop-Wanderlei,Barry-Hardonk,etc. Even tho most of these guys are nowhere near the level of elite kickboxers,the fights are entertaining and great.

Im in love with BJJ too. When I see a world class submission wizard in action,I will root for him most of the time. Guys like Maia,Jacaré,Gavlao,Shaolin,even those who are not world class BJJ fighters,but great MMA-grapplers like Aoki,Nog,Mousasi,Torres,Sotiropoulos…I like watching these guys in action.

Because of the “mixed” aspect of the sport,these guys cant be great at everything,and lots of wrestlers realize this,and use their wrestling to negate their opponents’ strenghts,and force him to fight where he doesnt want to.

Imagine Koscheck vs Hughes. Both great wrestlers,Koscheck is sloppy but powerful on the feet,weak in BJJ,Hughes is weak at striking,decent at BJJ. If Hughes can impose his will,and take down Koscheck,we see a lay-n-pray “fight”,because he is not better enough to finish Koscheck on the ground. If Koscheck can impose his will and keep the fight standing,we will see a sloppy kickboxing fight between a decent and a weak kickboxer. Its in the UFC,but it feels like a local kickboxing event.

I dont like when the fighters are forced to fight where they doesnt want to. Much respect to those guys,who are good at striking and submission grappling as well. Guys like Shogun,Anderson,Aldo,Torres,Penn,Mousasi,Fedor,Diaz,Condit,etc…except a few occasions,all of these fighters fight are incredibly exciting.

"Its not about the size of the dog in the fight...its about the size of the fight in the dog"

by SoulBrotherNo1 on Feb 21, 2010 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

did not mention cung le or i did not see it.

the guy is just entertaining to watch. he had a great match with frank shamrock and then lost to scott smith. he turned down a fight with jake shields b/c all shields was going to do was smoother him. i rather watch a striking and entertaining fight than a cnavas roll around.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 7, 2010 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

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