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Do MMA or Kickboxing Have Even a Potential Manny Pacquiao?

ARLINGTON TX - NOVEMBER 13:  Manny Pacquiao (white trunks) of the Philippines lands a punch to the head of Antonio Margarito (black trunks) of Mexico during their WBC World Super Welterweight Title bout at Cowboys Stadium on November 13 2010 in Arlington Texas.  (Photo by Nick Laham/Getty Images)

After this weekend something was extremely clear, even those that proclaim that boxing is a dead sport and is limping to the finish line had to put that aside and watch in awe as Manny Pacquiao put on what could be considered a career-highlight performance against an easily vilified opponent, Antonio Margarito. Manny Pacquiao is a lot like a superhero; mild-mannered, works incredibly hard, is always in the public eye and has very few missteps. What is most important is that much like a superhero, Manny Pacquiao makes you a believer, no matter how jaded or how many times you've been around the block. You watch Manny Pacquiao and you sit in awe. 

This weekend I remember watching the fight (notice how I call it the fight? UFC has yet to reach that level to where it is 'the fight' yet) and telling my friend that this was like watching something out of a movie. Margarito is a hulk of a man compared to Manny Pacquiao, he is bigger, stronger and looks like a movie villain. He walked out to the ring in an ominous robe with his long beard and grizzled face, his first fight back on American soil after an exile for being caught cheating with plaster wraps, potentially dangerous and life-threatening in the sport of boxing behavior, which made everyone call into question all of his big wins over the past few years. There were actually complaints about this match up, that Margarito didn't deserve a Manny Payday or such spotlight, but after watching any of the coverage, it was clear this was a David vs. Goliath affair, this was good vs. evil, as black and white as they come in the combat sports world.

Manny Pacquiao absolutely dissected Antonio Margarito. Margarito made a few valiant comebacks, where he'd push the smaller man into the ropes and begin wailing on him, but the quicker Pacquiao was able to escape every time with minimal damage. To understand how ridiculous this is, Manny Pacquiao was fighting forty pounds heavier than he was when he began his career and was still giving up fifteen pounds to Margarito once Margarito was fully hydrated. Imagine it like this, if a MMA fighter who fights at 135lbs had been fighting at 155lbs, then decided to cut his teeth against Thiago Alves at 170lbs. 

What does this all mean and have to do with MMA and kickboxing? Manny Pacquiao transcends the sport of boxing. At this point, he is bigger than the sport. He is a politician, he is a superstar, he is a household name, and in a way, he is Superman. At this point, his main foil is Floyd Mayweather, Jr., who has been seemingly avoiding the inevitable superfight between the two. I understand, for Floyd, if he beats Manny he is just Floyd, for Manny, if he beats Floyd then he will be considered by many to be the greatest of all time. MMA has some big names and top fighters, like Anderson Silva an Georges St. Pierre, but both have shown weakness within the past few years. On top of that, neither have been able to transcend the UFC machine, nor will they ever be. 

You won't turn on the news and see GSP's mug on there making a public appearance. Even his in-ring performances have been called into question for being "too safe" and not being flashy. Just when he was beginning to get an aura, Matt Serra knocked him out. GSP came back, but the tarnish of that loss is still there.

In kickboxing, Semmy Schilt is without a doubt on top of the Superheavyweight world, but Schilt is very human, with losses within the past few years and a fighting style that gets on the nerves of many, including his bosses. Badr Hari has an aura unlike anyone else and if he and his handlers could pull things together, Hari could easily have that Mike Tyson aura of Badr being a destroyer. Giorgio Petrosyan is closest to Pacquiao in the skill department, as I think you could make a sound argument that each are pound-for-pound the best in their respective sport (same with GSP). What Petrosyan has in skill, speed, power and raw ability he lacks in charisma and appeal. There is something charming about when Manny Pacquiao talks or how he is always smiling.

This just leads me to believe that for right now, Manny Pacquiao is the undisputed ruler of the combat sports world and the only person who will bring that to a halt will be himself when he decides to retire. 

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I think if he was given a large platform Badr Hari could hit superstar status. He’s got an exciting style and an engaging personality. But most importantly, he just has “it” – that undefinable aura that makes him seem like someone so much bigger and more superhuman than you or I.

Hari’s two biggest stumbling blocks are 1) His temper and legal issues. 2) The fact that his fights are shown on the wee hours of the night on a station most in America don’t have. These are BIG stumbling blocks – especially the 2nd one. When there were rumblings of Strikeforce putting on some kickboxing, I thought instantly of Hari. Give him a marquee match on Showtime or CBS and I think he’s likely to turn heads. But for right now, his upward mobility is limited to the upward mobility of kickboxing. And sadly, that’s not too great.

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by Fraser Coffeen on Nov 15, 2010 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

…like Anderson Silva an Georges St. Pierre, but both have shown weakness within the past few years. On top of that, neither have been able to transcend the UFC machine, nor will they ever be.

Maybe in part that the UFC is about promoting the baldfather and not the fighters themselves…

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by ludakrish on Nov 15, 2010 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

Imagine it like this, if a MMA fighter who fights at 135lbs had been fighting at 155lbs, then decided to cut his teeth against Thiago Alves at 170lbs

Well Fedor has done this for a majority of his career.

Food goes in here

by Pandanus on Nov 15, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

There is a difference between lighter weight classes and heavier ones.

Lighter guys with smaller frames have a lot more difficult time putting on mass and strength without sacrificing speed.

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by Dave Walsh on Nov 15, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish to see Manny Pacquiao in Kickboxing world

by k1wgp on Nov 15, 2010 10:58 PM EST reply actions  

When BJ Penn began his career he was a skinny 155, who probably could’ve cut to 145. He has fought men as big as Machida, even winning a round from the former 205 champion. He has defeated a number of men at 185 lbs who were solid competitors. That’s a fifty pound difference.

Anderson Silva first made his name in MMA at 170 lbs, taking apart Sakurai in Shooto. He’s since gone on to dominate former 205 lb champion Forrest Griffin – that’s 35 lbs. And, frankly, he’d have a decent chance against many HWs.

Randy Couture was a natural 205 lb guy who defeated Tim Sylvia when Tim was barely making 265 – and he dominated him, taking him apart in “heroic” fashion.

Anything having to do with being “the man” is simple a result of media. There’s nothing anyone in MMA can do to combat a media establishment that simply chooses to ignore MMA fighters.

As for popularity, Brock Lesnar is the current king of PPV:

Pac’s last four PPV numbers (not including the Margarito fight, though it won’t change anything as it will just supplant the DLH fight):

Pac v Clottey: 700K
Cotto: 1.2 MM
Hatton: 800K
Oscar: 1.25

TOTAL: 4MM (roughly)

Lesnar’s last four:

Cain: 1MM
Carwin: 1.3
Mir 2: 1.6
Couture: 900 K

TOTAL: 4.8MM

by TheDude8 on Nov 15, 2010 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

Rhank you, I swear it’s like people just overnight forgot that Brock has been helping the UFC break all records since he joined them. In the end men lie, women lie but the numbers don’t and as far as ppv goes right now Brock is the biggest star in ppv.

"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Nov 20, 2010 6:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Cro Cop.

Though I doubt Croatians literally died of heart attacks when Cro Cop fought Fedor.

by Karaev_fan on Nov 16, 2010 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

GSP's loss, a tarnish?

Why do you say GSP’s image is tarnished because of a loss when Manny has losses on his record as well?

by daeyeth on Nov 16, 2010 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

GSP's loss is recent, and in the middle of his superman run

It also seriously altered who he is as a fighter. He is afraid to stand up now. Like that is a very, very clear case of him changing after making a mistake.

He made a mistake, no big deal, but it was a mistake he doesn’t need to make again and doesn’t require him to be downright scared of standing up. He is a great stand up fighter as well as he is wrestler. Sure, wrestling means less risk, but it also makes him less entertaining to watch and less endearing to fans.

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by Dave Walsh on Nov 16, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s a ridiculous reach there, GSP isn’t scared to strike he’s struck with many fighters he’s just become much smarter and doesn’t leave himself open to getting clipped. He’s become a dominant champion and the UFC’s second biggest draw, the only people who aren’t endeared to him are some hardcore’s that want to see him to back instead of forward.

"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/

by Nightwhistler on Nov 20, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Jose Aldo would be the man from the MMA side but he will never be allowed to be bigger than the UFC.

by fitefan on Nov 16, 2010 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

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