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The Robbery of Buakaw Por. Pramuk by the Vengeful FEG

Honestly, I kinda hate using the word "robbery" when it comes to a decision in a fight. There was a giant uproar over Lyoto Machida's successful title defense against Mauricio "Shogun" Rua at UFC 104; was it a robbery or was it a fair decision? There has been a lot of debate and it seems like the world has settled on the fact that Shogun should be the champion. I feel in that case there isn't a lot to get upset about; state-appointed judges outside of the Zuffa influence saw what they saw from ringside and came to a tough decision on a close fight.

I held off watching the entire K-1 World MAX Finals until HDNet broadcast the full show in HD with English commentary from everybody's favorite announcer Michael Schievello alongside FEG's Mike Kogan. If you want to get upset about judging, look no further than this event. At least two of the judges seemed to want every round to be a draw, with an uncanny number of the fights having draw rounds, even by K-1 standards. If you've followed K-1 for a while you'll understand that the judges can do us a lot of favors in close contests. A fight like Machida/Shogun would not of been decided that quickly, it would've been ruled a draw and forced into an extension round.

In theory this is a good thing, it means fighters are given a second and sometimes third chance to steal the fight and it gives the fans a better show. I start to have problems with this when a fight was going in one clear direction and due to poor judging a fight is sent into an extension round where the losing fighter is able to pull out the victory. Japanese judges, especially at FEG shows have been called into question many, many times, and right now I'm calling them into question. Buakaw Por. Pramuk beat Andy Souwer.

It is hard to not be critical of Buakaw this year in K-1, as his fire seems to have left a bit, and he has even talked about not fighting for K-1 anymore and focusing on fighting elsewhere. I only speak for myself, but Buakaw leaving would leave a hole in K-1 MAX competition, but if he doesn't want to perform up to par there is no reason to stay around and turn into Mike Zambidis. Buakaw was aggressive, kept Andy at bay with his world famous push kicks and jabs. At the end of the fight it was clear by even looking at the two men that Souwer was the worse for wear; a gaping cut under his right eye, fatigued, red in the midsection. Buakaw looked ready for more. The look on Buakaw's face when it went into an extension was that of disgust, and his desire to keep fighting seemed to be drained out of him while Souwer finally started fighting as opposed to being a heavy bag for Buakaw. Souwer did win that extension round, no doubt, but only after losing the only three rounds that should've counted.

Buakaw, who had it in his head to leave the FEG umbrella would have little reason to want to continue fighting for them after something like this, I believe. Plus there is a feeling that if Buakaw doesn't want to be there, FEG does not want him there. This would not be the first time that FEG has made Buakaw feel unwelcome, either. Look no further than the one knee from the clinch rule if you want proof of that.

I feel a bit biased as I had always enjoyed MAX, but when Buakaw hit the scene it breathed new life into the already fresh division to watch a masterful muay thai fighter decimating everybody in his path.

K-1 World MAX 2009 Finals coverage

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by D.W. on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Robbery of Chase Beebe by the Virginia State Athletic Commission by Luke Thomas

by Excelsior! on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buakaw is Jesse James and FEG is Robert Ford? (The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford)

Now where’s my free t-shirt? ;)

by Daeron on Nov 3, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh c'mon, that was after I dropped a MASSIVE hint

but if I had a t-shirt you’d get it.

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by D.W. on Nov 3, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, worth a shot. ;)

by Daeron on Nov 3, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Since you comment on BE somewhat regularly, and Luke just titled an article with the same structure, I assumed you meant the reference was to that article… but if you meant The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, I can see where you’re coming from.

by Excelsior! on Nov 4, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some have tried to attribute the decision to Buakaw’s techniques not scoring, but even if that were the case he still landed more than Souwer who was struggling to do anything substantial and was actually the one instigating the clinching and generally looking like he was a level or two below Buakaw.

It was obvious from the get-go that the ideal scenario was going to be Souwer vs. Masato on New Years Eve. The only way Buakaw was going to win this fight is if he scored a bunch of knockdowns or knocked his opponent’s head clean off his shoulders.

I also disagree that Souwer won the extension round. Which to me made it even worse, I watched Dutch commentary as well. Fred Royers is a knowledgeable man and even if he has to up the chauvinism for a mainstream channel like SBS6 – he still couldn’t hand the decision to Souwer. It put things into perspective for me seeing as I’m extremely biased in this case.

Worse of all is that Buakaw is the most popular foreign fighter in K-1 MAX and Tanikawa has even stated that he’s more popular than Masato worldwide. Why they continue to shaft him is beyond me. You can’t even explain it with the tired old “different” scoring excuse – whoever is supposed to win usually does. It’s like they’re trying to control and create storylines which obviously doesn’t work in a non-scripted event.

I rarely get to witness an overabundance of ridiculous decisions as I do with FEG affiliated events. So by default I’m getting kind of tired of the harping on Japanese judging in general as bias and incompetence exists everywhere. K-1 is already seen as a joke in Japan, now that it’s becoming more and more visible to the outside world it’s unfortunate that it creates a stigma and negative stereotype of Japanese kickboxing in general.

by Jillykins on Nov 2, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You know

I was iffy on the extension round as well, the judge that scored it for Buakaw actually surprised me. I felt like the extension round was pretty damned close, but the Souwer love and the way that round went, you knew it was Souwer’s round.

It does suck that we have to harp on Japanese judging so much. We’ve been doing it for years (you know this better than most) and I feel like it won’t stop.

It frustrates me right now because, you know, the point of this site is to try to bringe K-1 and kickboxing to a fanbase that hasn’t really been properly exposed to it, and having to point out that you have to live with piss-poor judging as a reality to create drama sucks.

This show did a lot of exposing, I felt. Yuya Yamamoto did not belong in the final 4, but you need a Japanese fighter there. He got annihilated, and I mean annihilated, embarassed. Nagashima is another guy they want to make seem important, and he got destroyed, too. HIROYA got an easy fight against the much smaller Zambo. Zambo isn’t washed up like most people think, but fighting a guy with such outrageous reach advantage just wasn’t gonna work for Zambo.

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by D.W. on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yuya is too light for MAX, both literally and figuratively so to speak. Though you can’t really blame him for getting iced by Petrosyan. They don’t even exist in the same universe as far as fighting is concerned. Nagashima was a walking gimmick who happened to catch his opponents of guard with his unorthodox way of punching. Kraus ruined him. Hopefully we won’t see him in MAX anymore. What’s with you Head Kick Legend lot messing up all the capitalized “H” fighters’ names? :P

Buakaw got robbed in The Netherlands against Kraus, against Sari in France and now 3 times against common adversaries in Japan. It’s a shame, but that simply indicates judges suck everywhere.

K-1 is rubbish most of the time anyway, if you just look at as otherworldly entertainment (which it is) then you won’t get bent out of shape easily. I’m saying all this besides the fact the Buakaw decision left me in a semi-depressed state. When Masato retires and Buakaw decides to pack up his bags, MAX instantly loses most of its appeal to me.

by Jillykins on Nov 2, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus christ I did do that.

Maybe because I dislike both of them so much? HINATA pisses me off.

I agree that without Masato and Buakaw MAX is sort of desolate. Those are the guys that really got me excited to watch MAX way back when and if anything are the best “characters.”

The Nagashima joke went on way too long and getting murdered by a “nobody” makes my week. Maybe K-1 is afraid of losing the cosplaying shut-in demographic?

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by D.W. on Nov 2, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I want to add that Yoshihiro Sato has been on the receiving end of some dubious (to say the least) decisions. The only thing they have in common is that their fighting style isn’t appreciated by the brass as Buakaw is a lot more popular than Sato, but it shows how much of an enigma the scoring in K-1 is. Clean kicks and knees apparently don’t score as much as blocked punches and a false sense of aggression.

by Jillykins on Nov 2, 2009 10:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hope Buakaw leaves

and fights in organizations that allow multiple knees from the clinch. Maybe he can get a fight with giorgio there and win

by Infinite_Jest on Nov 2, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

But where?

Companies in Europe have adapted most K-1 rules to make their events more “friendly” for the cross-over fighters and to present a more unified style for fight fans. K-1 is the biggest show in town and everybody is bowing to them, just like UFC has its influence on MMA.

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by D.W. on Nov 2, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His only option besides going back to competing at Thai stadiums would be to fight for peanuts in Japanese kickboxing events, unless he wants to compete once or possibly twice a year in events like SLAMM’s Holland vs. Thailand. And the money is good in comparison to what everyone else is offering.

by Jillykins on Nov 2, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Money is the thing.

I’m not sure if anybody can offer him the money K-1 is. I can see him being frustrated with them, but damnit, I don’t want him to leave.

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by D.W. on Nov 2, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

indeed - money

When I posted the comment I thought as much: there are no other places to fight that pay the same wage. It’s unfortunate, and makes me sad.

by Infinite_Jest on Nov 2, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s to stop him from competing semi-regularly for It’s Showtime? Throw in Slamm, Evolution, Champion of Champions and you have a decent schedule. Not as much money as K-1 to be sure, but nothing is.

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by Fraser Coffeen on Nov 2, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But it’s all about money, his camp wants him to fight where he can earn the most money and who can blame them?

by Jillykins on Nov 2, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i will always remember the judges sending Masato back in for a 4th round in his first meetingwith Buakaw……they weren’t doing him a favor, just sending him in for the Hail Mary 3 more minutes of getting crushed. i think they also did not want to have Masato’s final fight be against Buakaw who stylistically is a very tough fight for Masato who needs to get in closer to land his punch combinations and lacks the leg kick power to hang with Buakaw at range….

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by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 2, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking that when they were saying that they have never seen anyone so dominated in the MAX final, didn’t they remember Buakaw/Masato in 04

by Meshuggeth on Nov 2, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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