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A Kickboxing Look at Machida vs. Shogun

Lyoto Machida and Mauricio Shogun Rua squared off in one of MMA's most technical kickboxing battles.

Lyoto Machida and Mauricio Shogun Rua squared off in one of MMA's most technical kickboxing battles.

Sure, our main goal here is to discuss kickboxing and dash in a little Japanese MMA, but when something big happens, it is hard to ignore. Last night's UFC 104 main event made some waves and upset a lot of fans and insiders alike. The consensus is that Lyoto Machida did not successfully defend his title against Mauricio Shogun Rua. Instead, it was believed to be bad judging. 

Rewatching the fight, it is easy to realize that this fight bares little resemblance to a Mixed Martial Arts battle outside of Shogun attempting a few takedowns; this was a kickboxing fight. I think a lot of MMA fans are used to scoring and watching fights in a different fashion, but when you adjust the way you look at the fight, a few things become more clear. When you take out who was "stalking" who and who was clinching who, the fight becomes a lot more simple to score. 

Round one was Lyoto Machida's round. He opens with a thai clinch and a flurry of knees. Shogun throughout most of the round, if not the fight was stalling against the cage. In round one he threw a few knees to the hamstrings of Lyoto, but the damage those did really didn't come into the equation until the late rounds of the fight. Nearly every strike Rua threw completely missed the mark or was blocked. I see a lot of people quoting FightMetric to defend their stance, and all I can say is I'm not sure what fight they were watching and that FightMetric, while the output is somewhat scientific, is still validated and entered by humans, so there is a margin of error.

No doubt in these early rounds Shogun was pushing forward, but his strikes simply weren't landing other than when he clinched against the cage. Machida would wait, counterattack and score points. The cleanest shot in the second round was Machida's kick to the midsection about halfway through if you watch it carefully. Shogun once again scored all of his shots clinching against the cage with some close range knee strikes. Even Shogun's flying kick was partially blocked and countered by a right hand by Machida, that puts Lyoto up two rounds. Machida starts the third round off by scoring points again, nullifying Shogun's strikes. The only clean strikes are a few that Machida slips in. Round three was more of the same, with Shogun scoring a bit more, but Machida having a flurry near the end with Shogun scoring twice, Machida quite a few more times.

This leaves the fight 3 - 0 for Machida. Going into Round four, Lyoto is tired and the clinch knees to the legs have slowed him down considerably. Rounds four and five play out the same way, but with Lyoto being tired from the leg strikes and Shogun scoring the points. This leaves the final score at 3 - 2. If this were a fight in K-1, I could easily see the judges sending this into an Extension round.

While I understand this was a MMA fight, and clinching is a legitimate method of fighting, as a kickboxing match this fight is easily Lyoto Machida's. As a MMA fight I'm inclined to see it the same way, although you could score the first round as a draw round and the fight in general as a draw. I see no real controversy, just differences in opinions.

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I agree with this 100%.

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by P Brady on Oct 25, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the biggest sticking point for me..

Is that if this was a K-1 rules match, it would’ve gone to an extension round. I believe that to be 100% true, if this happened in K-1 the judges would’ve let it keep going (of course it would probably only be 3 rounds with one or two possible Ext. rounds).

It can go either way.

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by Dave Walsh on Oct 25, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure still.

I saw Shogun winning and Machida is my favorite LHW.

by Meshuggeth on Oct 25, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought Lyoto won

but if an extension round had been added I think he would have lost

by Infinite_Jest on Oct 25, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Totally.

His legs were taken out from him and he lost the last two rounds. He was done, which is why I can see people thinking Shogun won. Shogun did more damage and did a lot of it in the latter half of the fight, but points-wise? Didn’t do enough.

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by Dave Walsh on Oct 25, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see it as a draw too. If there would be an extension round things would look like in Andre Dida (Shogun’s coach) vs. Buakaw fight, where Dida after 1,5 good round was battered with kicks to the legs and midsection.

by dancingChicken on Oct 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions  

The two major factors here are volume of power strikes, damage, and control of the cage. Shogun basically hunted down Lyoto, let him throw, and then countered hard to the body and legs. By the second round, Lyoto was wincing at every kick. By the third round, he could barely move around normally. By the fourth and fifth rounds, he was completely out of the fight.

I scored it 49-46 Shogun. I love both fighters but Machida lost.

by Ahhhoki on Oct 26, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Cool article.

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by VeeisAnimated on Oct 26, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Photobucket I had heard some talk of shogun running down machida allllll niiight loooong lol lol

by Polish Litter on Oct 28, 2009 3:49 AM EDT reply actions  

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